If you like to be stuck in the corporate run and shittier sandbox by getting subsidized hardware. Then who am I to stop you.
I’d rather just have both. But obviously pc is the first choice for all things.
Yeah, but I can use my PC for other things as well (I’m only using my PC for gaming)
I have editing stuff on my pc. Music, art, video.
But since i got my steam deck i realize how much i only used the pc for games.Eventually im going to Linux the thing. But I’m dreading the time sink that’ll be.
some $2k beats a console and you get more games, cheaper price, and can do whatever you want with it
so if you’re already getting a computer, it just makes sense
This argument made more sense 20 years ago. Now there’s a lot more people who just don’t need a desktop.
But they need a console?
For a lot less than a desktop that does decent at gaming, yes.
idk about that. I have both and I still prefer using the desktop at home because I can get a much nicer performance out of it than connecting an external display to the laptop. Even for ordinary things like watching a YT video it makes a difference.
people might not need it, but no one who’s not a game developer needs a console either
“Needs” is a tricky word, here.
People want to play games. If they don’t need a desktop otherwise, it’s fine to choose a console for games. The number of people who need a desktop is a lot less than it was 20 years ago.
I’m certain you can build a $15K USD computer, I bet Linus Tech Tips does it regularly, but idk who tf is doing that when an nVidia 3090Ti is only $1080 and is ranked #23 on PassMark.
I built my friend a cheap gaming PC. If your target is 60fps 1080 its dirt cheap. The 3060 still handles modern titles and its a few hundred. Amd and Intel also have great budget offerings. 9060 and b580 are great cards.
I have a 3080ti and its even less, and I’m still on max settings in every game at 1440p.
If it wasn’t for Slyrim and thousands of mods, I would agree with you😅
I’ve got a modpack that graphically overhauls literally everything and Skyrim runs fine. It came out over a decade ago and made on the same engine as FO:3, it’s probably hitting the upper limits of its resource requirements if it hasn’t already.
Ever try Lorerim?
Minecraft would also like a word!
It’s been a while since I played modded Minecraft, but absolutely!
I actually went with a 3080 that had more VRAM than the Ti version at the cost of slightly lower performance, but this unintentionally crashes some games and applications which are not made to handle more than the 4GB memory limit in some 32 bit softwares. It’s too powerful lmao. Someday we’re going to encounter a similar issue when cards regularly reach up to 64GB VRAM.
There is a program that fixes that iirc, I used it for New Vegas. Somebody here will know what it’s called.
ENBoost?
Why are you considering buying a 3090 Ti for $1080??? It’s an old card and shouldn’t be near that amount when you can get better performance for less money out of a 9070 xt or 5070 ti.
It’s an old #23rd best card in the world, complete without the faulty newer nVidia cables and sockets, but yeah theres no way people need to spend $15k.
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Yes, and if you’re genuinely spending $15,000 on a rig you are not competing with a goddamn Playstation; at that point you’re either mixing it with low end datacenters or you’ve now got a ziggurat of monitors on your desk that could backdrop a Daft Punk concert. I just built a pretty much top of the line (AMD based, mind you) machine a few months ago for under $3000. I could have gotten away with less, but I didn’t feel like it.
I suspect that many morons with nothing but decades-old experience, if even any to begin with, still have no comprehension of just how cheap computers are.
stupid meme for stupid people that don’t actually know how much a pc costs
Can’t run deluge on my ps5
Is liquid cooling even worth it these days? I’ve always used air cooling and just vacuumed my pc every once and a while.
Having a noctua cooler and an insulated case will go a long way, especially if you don’t need to think about possible leakages
Nah, I’ve always air cooled. I’d rather have a chonky cooler instead of yet another failure point.
Not really. Outside of the commercial usage (like data centers), liquid-cooing is used more just for show.
Depends. For performance? Not really. For sound? Definitely. Unless you go for one of those passive air cooled PC cases (15+ kg of aluminum and no fans), you won’t get anything that is quieter than a liquid cooler with a 360mm rad. With a custom loop and a GPU water block you can get your PC to essentially silent.
I swear even back in the liquid cooling heyday of 2005 it still wasn’t worth it. If you could afford liquid cooling, you could afford a case and a mobo with more fans
Console hardware has always been a loss leader
Enjoy your library being mostly 30fps 720p games.
Why do people keep reposting this shit?
Which console costs 400$?
Which reasonably price optimized PC costs 15k$?
Yes PCs are more expensive than consoles, but they also hold more value, are more versatile and have lower costs for the Games themselves.
To each their own, we’re alle gamers.
Fine, im in Canada and a ps5 costs $500 and a decent current gen gaming pc costs about $3000 where I am. And no I am no interested in building a pc anymore than I am building a ps5. So off the shelf you’re looking at a 1.5-2k pc just to match the ps5. So not 15k but easily triple the cost of a ps5.
What I like about consoles is that I know the game will always work on my console. I could buy a top end pc and it won’t play next years top games that well
Idk about the prices in canada but 3000 CAD shouldn’t give you a “decent current gen gaming pc”. This is already high end territory where you’re already burning money unnecessarly just to have the latest an greatest. For 2500 CAD you can get a prebuild 9070 XT + 7800X3D system (here). This system destroys the PS5 performance wise. I can get 240-300 FPS in the Finals while the PS5 can get a max of 120 FPS in performance mode with hits to the visual fidelity.
And yes a PS5 is 579 CAD as far as I can see, so a lot cheaper.
However as I stated a PC can run way more different games even without taking emulation into account. Furthermore on PS5 you have to pay 110 CAD/year to play online and PC games generally are cheaper than console games. So there is a significant amount of money you’ll save on the software.
Additionally you kinda are forced to buy a new console when the new generation arrives while I can use my PC for the newest games as long as I want to or the hardware just can’t handle it anymore.
And lastly a PC can also be used for non gaming stuff. You can even get use of the performance for 3D modeling, Video editing, running LLMs or whatever.
So as I stated before both have their use cases, a PC is definetly more expensive up front buy it also just offers more value. At the end it doesn’t matter and everyone can play games on the hardware they want to.
The console is subsidized by the games being more expensive. In the emd, the console is more expensive but you have it ready-to-use. While you have more choice on PC and can mod the games. To each their own.
The games are the same cost on pc for the same game.
For me it works better in the end, i pop it in and I know it’s gonna run. Also my library system has games, even on release day. And I use psplus, So I haven’t paid full for a game in a while.
You can also save a vintage console. PCs just get old
Oh yeah? Well my $20k PC is better than your $15k PC, peasant.
PCMR people do not call other PCMR people peasants.
I remember building the most absolutely expensive PC I could possibly make on PC Part Picker and while it was expensive (around 33k), it would have sucked for gaming. It would have made a bitchin’ server or video editing workstation tho. 🤣
Let’s compare a 6 year price without games.
PC gaming
800 gaming PC 200 mid cycle update to GPU 3-5 years in
PS5
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative 500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in 720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
1000 vs 2370
Laughing at console gamers spending more than the cost of a basic computer on the privilege of using it online via your own internet which you also pay for
PS5
500 non-gaming PC
Come on, dude. Firstly, you can get a non-gaming PC for under $200 easy. Hell, if you know where to look, you can get it for free.
500 ps5 650 ps5 pro 4 years in
Why not just… not upgrade the PS5? Save yourself $650. If you want to “balance” things, the PC guy can save $200 on their own upgrade.
Wait for the PS6, which will be out in '27/'28 and just enjoy the OG console that was released in '20 for the life of the platform.
Like, this is obviously not an apple to apple comparison. And that’s spotting you a generous $800 PC build out of the gate. You’re simply not building a PS5 quality rig in 2020 for $800.
720 for PlayStation online basic at 10 per month
Do I get to charge the PC owner the release price of every PSO title released for free? Because that’s going to come out far higher than $720 over six years.
Are you playing any MMOs on that PC? Should we be charging you the base rate for those as well?
I’m not even a PS5 guy. I tapped out at 4 and game on my PC happily. But I’m not going to pretend console gamers are doing 3x my spend just because it’s possible to do so.
Only a tiny minority of PC gamers pay monthly for anything.
You can’t upgrade the PS5, and the sale price of your 5-year-old unit is like $100.
Free games aren’t included in the 10 per month.
The cost of 18 per month to also have old games costs 1300 over 6 years.
The PC you can get for $200 will be awful to use or die within 3 years or both. It will be ridiculous to repair, so you will buy another 200 special hating the shit you bought both times.
Basically at the root a PC and a console are both good for about 6 years but the 700-1300 you pay for online is going to dwarf the buy up from acceptable PC to gaming PC+ hardware.
Cheap PC are the value option expensive pc are the quality option.
Consoles are kind of in between.
Only a tiny minority of PC gamers pay monthly for anything.
That’s simply not true.
I didn’t say they didn’t watch netflix or have internet.
PC gamers don’t pay a monthly fee connected to their gaming.
So PC GamePass isn’t a thing? If Valve offered a solid subscription offering, gamers would be all over it.
I think the point is that you don’t have to pay ANYTHING per month to play apps or games you already fully paid for online whereas not paying for playstation online means you lose that entire aspect of your own device whereas with a ps5 if you stop paying sony you can no longer even use netflix despite paying netflix your isp and sony for their hardware. They use the fact that they control your device to effectively blackmail you by making third party apps contingent on paying their blackmail.
That’s not true. You can use Netflix without PSPlus. You can even play Fortnite (and a few others, mostly the online only games) without it.
Free games aren’t included in the 10 per month
Yes they are. 3 free games a month.
Reading this gave me a headache
Would you like a meme with 8 or less characters and a 2nd grade reading level to calm you down?
500 non-gaming PC because your ps5 isn’t a useful alternative
That’s kind of a non-argument. I know a lot of people with desktop gaming PCs who also have a laptop (for school, uni, whatever). The people I know who only play games on console usually don’t have a desktop, they only have a laptop that’s not suitable for gaming. I also know a lot of people who play games on console and PC and therefore have both, plus usually a laptop. And then I also know a lot of people who don’t have ps+/xbox-whatever because they don’t play online games.
I don’t think its a non-argument. If we are talking about PC gaming as a budget option the fact that you CAN have JUST a singular device isn’t obviated by the fact that some people have a separate general purpose PC any more than it is because some people still a $5000 GPU on a $15000 device.
What are you updating the GPU to for $200? A 1060?
Most recently I got a nice radeon 6600 with 8GB VRAM for 100 I guess.
Me with my 5090 I have only played 4.5 games on because I hate dark patterns
Wait the section on “Psychological Dark Patterns” sounds kind of over inclusive. Leveling up and progressing are thing that give a sense of accomplishment. Granted, things like cs2 skins are a form of manipulation. But you can’t tell me that making a build on a game like DND or building a world you like on Minecraft are “dark patterns”
Leveling up and progressing are thing that give a sense of accomplishment.
Indeed. They are built to trigger your reward system rather than having you feel that naturally from the gameplay.
I absolutely think those are included and utterly hate grinding.
But you can’t tell me that making a build on a game like DND or building a world you like on Minecraft are “dark patterns”
Where are you getting that from there?
Clarification. I’m way to asleep and meant wow, not DND. Forget I said anything. I still think I’m right. But I’m not in the correct state to even formulate coherent sentences
They will be the same people who say, “I only spent a little bit more than a console, but look how much better it is. What’s the point of a console anymore?”
Well nowadays the main argument for me become what to play on console? There no exclusives games anymore so why I would buy it if I can build PC which would be universal tool with ability to play most of old games using emulators and connect gamepad ,and modern games available for PC same as to console
I brought the ps5 around when it released. At the time, prices for pc parts were crazy. I decided to get the ps5 due to that, and it was a solid choice at the time. I was finally able to build a PC near the end of 2023 when prices dropped. I wanted a higher end one, so it still cost me around 2k. I love both of them.
As for the exclusives, there were some and even timed ones to me count a little. I played god of war, horizon, and final fantasy rebirth and 16 day one. I also enjoyed astro bot and its follow up, spider man miles, racket and clank, last of us 2, and ghosts of tsushima. Im still on tbe fence of getting ghosts of yotei, but it’s also a limited exclusive. You also have upcoming games like Marvels Wolverine, Intergalactic: the heretic project, and knights of the old republic. Its getting to be less and less, but i also think it has a lot to do with how long it takes for a game to come out on top of not forcing games as much as they used to.
My excuse these days is… I already built the damned thing. If there’s a game I want to play I can just upgrade it for (in most cases) less than the cost of a console + game to play the new game I want. PC gaming offers a lot of flexibility in that way.
My office (and thus my computer) is between my kids’ bedrooms. If I want to game after they go to bed I either can’t have voice comms or go game on my TV downstairs.
Also, I already spend 8+ hours a day in my office working so I often don’t want to be in there for my decompression time.
Ghost of Yotei is still a PS5 exclusive (and it’s damn good)
No one but the once in a blue moon whales are spending 15,000 on a rig. The average rig I build for people is under 1,000 and the setups I see online are usually near there too.
I have a dual 5090 threadripper rig with 192 GB of RAM and it cost $10k. To get to $15k on a consumer build you’d have to actually be trying to waste money.
Let me introduce you too Falcon Northwest the perfect place to waste money on a PC. https://www.falcon-nw.com/desktops/rak you can configure that to a price of 47,000 +. Why anyone would want to is a mystery but you certainly can. And its probably comparable to your current system so it’s certainly in the “trying to waste money” category.
