We’ve got an issue here. It won’t let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?
Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/
Archive link since that’s behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/C7jJu
Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we’ve gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you’ll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they’re done beating on you, you will be detained, I won’t say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you’ve had enough and let’s you go. Assuming they don’t just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you’re a citizen, you don’t get due process. And of course, without due process you can’t prove you are a citizen.
There’s no due process anymore. Why do you believe you’ll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They’re just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
Why would I give in without putting up a fight? Is throwing my hands up and going “oops, no due process, out of luck” going to do me any good? I’m sure they’ll try to do illegal things, but courts do still exist, and I want them to have to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to do what they want
Well you either submit and risk getting deported or you resist and likely just end up dead or with life long injuries and deported.
You arnt owed due process since your arnt ever arrested. You don’t go to court.
Ice is superceding the system by just side stepping it.
You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
Bold of you to assume they don’t already have your face and that they need to be in your vicinity to scan it.
… What do you think they even have an app for.
To receive a notification that someone got detected?
To be fair no where does it state this is a phone app and how it actually works.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
App used in the field
Very heavily implies a mobile device of some sort…if you can’t put together the context clues, that’s between you and your first grade teacher.
Well if you are going to be pedantic about it.
To receive a notification that someone got detected?
Because it does read like it’s something mobile.
To be fair no where does it state this is a phone app and how it actually works.
Because It literally doesn’t. Software on a laptop used in a van checks all boxes. App is short for “application” and not phone exclusive.
It probably isn’t but for all I know this is someone sitting in an office with a tablet connected to all kinds of public cameras.
It probably isn’t because I am just throwing out an example while only half sober.
Just put together the context clues and maybe there was no need to be so needlessly annoying.
This was a lot of excuses for you being wrong.
Like, you could look up the name of the app and not have made up all this bullshit just to justify your speaking from ignorance.
my god you are insufferable.
Your reading comprehension sucks btw my Initial comment is much more general then just this one app. You thinking I need an excuse says enough, i don’t need one to add to the conversation.
You know damn well what “mobile Fortnite” is going to get you as a search result and it’s not like 60% of results aren’t ai written and copying eachother.
If you are such an expert on this software how about you enlighten us.
Have a Happy Halloween now and stop fighting people that are presumably on your side, by which I hope to mean against automised mass surveillance.
I’m sure they have my face already, I have a drivers license. I struggle to see how they could scan my face without being somewhere in roughly the same physical proximity though
Cameras have gotten crazy good, I know the standard looking cameras in my local airport can scan faces because they were very proud of how efficiently they could detect known criminals.
Then they just send a team to arrest, formalities are over before you realise your being apprehended.
Of course an airport is a high security area but cameras are increasingly everywhere.
An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate?
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone’s citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
Regardless, fuck ICE. Fuck Trump.
If they scan your face and it says you’re illegally in the country then you’re getting arrested, no matter what evidence you have to the contrary.
False positives are arrested and held in custody until the legal system can get to them.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
The point of these programs is to eliminate ‘doubt’, the agent KNOWS that the machine is saying that the target should be detained and that’s all they need for an excuse to effect an arrest.
The fact that their knowledge is based on flawed technology isn’t something that you can argue in the field, only in front of a judge which is well after you’ve been arrested.
This technology is used like drug sniffing dogs are used now. They provide an excuse, probable cause, and the fact that it’s completely possible to arbitrarily generate probable cause isn’t something that helps you during your encounter.
It’s a shit tactic but, absent legislation from a working government, law enforcement can get away with shady and unconstitutional tactics. Since we don’t have a functioning federal government we have to deal with these shady tactics from law enforcement and hope that courts will eventually find the truth.
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled
I think the app tells them either way.
Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there’s coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It’s all pure exercise of power shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I asked because knowing how their weapons work has immediate strategic implications for my community. I’m not attempting to justify, lessen any alarm, or describe secret police as anything but what they are.
Its an excuse. Positive ID overrides.
It’s always an excuse.
Totally.
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There’s gonna be SOOOO many lawsuits over this.
nah, in next step all lawsuits will be expelled
Except the ones from Trump and his cronies. :|
I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.
40% of the population.
I’m just surprised that they didn’t call the app Minority Report - I mean it’s right there and so accurate
Probably would have if it was made by Palantir, since they seem to have no problems with particularly on the nose names. Although tbh I’m not sure who made the app after searching for a bit.
Doesn’t OP’s pic say “developers at CBP”?
Though I’m surprised they have “developers” on staff. I’d guess they were contractors?
probably using palintir derived app?
Dangerous? It’s outrageously illegal. Unless we’re just gonna say all documentation is null and void. Which. We’re not.
The state determines what is legal and illegal. It’s mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
everyone is in denial that everything will “return to normal” when trump dies, and hoping that happens within this 2nd term. mind you “normal” in that sense is unsustainable ratfucking of any and all public funds to the detriment of everything else
…when he dies and nothing else changes…
that’s when shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick
On the bright side, you can definitevely change your gender at birth just before you get shot. So that’s a thing.
WTH are you talking about
I have no idea, but I get things right more often than AI, so… organic response?
It was meant to speak on the importance of identity affirmation for trans people, but with a dark lilt, given the shitty nature of current society.
change your gender at birth just before you get shot.
At school? Or, do you mean in the coming Republicans’ planned genocide?
Oh, either or, or both are likely. What repugnant hell…
Well… they’re definitely deporting Obama
Make sure they do Melania too.
Dude. You know they won’t.
sorry but did anybody expect ICE “agents” to have functioning brains?
Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?
No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
It’s likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
Yes. Easily. They can probably bypass all of the app store review requirements n shit too that way.
No, they are just using a standard MDM solution. Device gets setup on the organization Mobile Device Management system, and it has its own app store with the apps the business uses. There is not requirement for apps to be listed in the App Store or Play Store. Any business can provide their own apps for use in their MDM system.
Serious answer to non-serious question, corpos can deliver apps to phones past app stores, e.g. intune/company portal etc.
Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.
Man anonymous and whoever are just script kiddies apparently. A decade into this fuckery and - what? They downloaded ICE agent names to pass amongst themselves and giggle about?
SAD!
If we feed in enough images of trump from videos, bet one will say he’s not a citizen.
The app is just that Family Guy colour chart.
And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.
Rules for thee, yada yada
My immediate thought as well.
