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No worries!
If the state can’t protect its people from the damage that technology and capitalism can do, they have no right to prevent people from protecting themselves.
Fix climate change. Tax billionaires. Address the housing crisis. Then we can talk about taking away privacy in the name of upholding the law.
Doesn’t even have to be a lofty goal like fixing climate change. I’d settle for the backdoors not leading to disclosure and scams, as any such weakening of security or privacy inadvertently does.
When there was the leak of ID photos from that one site (forget which one) I sighed, because neither the users nor the site wanted to keep ID photos around, but the government made them do that. It was the most predictable result I could have imagined.
I’d also settle for the billionnaires getting a French revolutionary treatment. It’s high time the reactionary leeches get what they fucking deserve: they must pay their taxes, hand over all their media ownership to the public, and a shitton more. And if they don’t want that, then by police force, or by the will of the people.
Me and the boys on our way to help Graphene in France.Not to protect /e/os and Iode (neither to promote the french laws), but I would like to have real source of what’s happening, what /e/os and idoe didn’t do right, when they conveyed fakes about graphene…
Not to say but the graphene community (mainly his leader) is always having drama with some people. So real proofs and explanations would be greatly appreciated. Wouldn’t like to say black or white to this subject and would like to nuance the post
yeah as a graphene user I have been worried for a while now about the mental state of the project head. It also doesn’t seem like he cares much for the opinions of the users
The Venn diagram of privacy focused and paranoid has a good bit of overlap.
But anything private enough for the most paranoid dev is private enough for me.
If you’re wondering, I checked a bit online and here’s what I understood :
The 19th November a newspaper in France called “Le Parisien” published an article about GrapheneOS and that it was a dream OS for drug dealer (and whole networks).
That it could erase itself if a intrusion was detected by showing for example a fake Snapchat page (which is btw totally false and doesn’t take part in the official releases), these claims where besides made by french cops.For that, the newspaper contacted Graphene, and they (graphene) answered that the tool they’re providing is simply working and that like a knife it could be used for malicious activities, but as with a knife most people would use it responsibly (to protect their privacy)
At this point I think that the Graphene reaction was pretty great and acted to defend citizens privacy.
But what follows next didn’t make the same impression, by quitting the France they are not really focusing on the good topics :
1 - France cops are no exceptions to others, surely all of them around the world would like to break encryption and privacy (grapheneOS for example)
2 - That’s not the government that propagates wrong statement about graphene, but the journalists from “Le Parisien” (if they can be called “journalists”)
(The authorities maybe lied (not the first time btw) to scare the public, the newspaper shouldn’t published it with fakes in it…)And accusing any French based initiative is not an argument (at first they didn’t have anything to do between french authorities and graphene)
Even if FOSS projects have a country on the paper, it’s not really much more of a negative aspect than to respect the laws in place…
So why Graphene doesn’t blame Framasoft (guys that are maintaining peertube) for example?And lastly in Europe many initiatives gets money from governments (whatever they’re doing)
Note : I’m not saying that /e/os and Iode aren’t guilty of anything sketchy but that in this case Graphene are just insulting FOSS privacy projects…
To conclude, I would say that Graphene done right by replying and arguing to a bullshit article.
BUT they shouldn’t generalize to all french projects and promote hate against frenchies and/or french projects (Btw they moved their servers from France to Germany and Canada, these countries are no more private than France and any others countries)This is roughly what I thought, part sensible part taking tinfoil hat a little too far even for a privacy developer. Really the ones doing the most harm to graphene seem to be google
Gael Duval (/e/os) wrote as a response:
"I’d like to state *very clearly* that Murena and e Foundation are not related in case to this ridiculous and pseudo-drama.What we seek is to totally ignore these guys, and have nothing to do with them.
And again, and again, despite what they are repeating, we are NOT competitors, as we are not in the hardened-security market spaces."
Pretty good response but somehow they will suffer from Graphene accusations
They (graphene) are really playing childish this time
EDIT : misinterpretations
So they finally admit being inferior and less secure.
Edit: I love all the salt
And that is the reason I kind of don’t like grapheneos.
Again not to defend anyone but you fell in the trap.
1 - These roms never said anything like we’re superior and most secure (something that grapene is proudly advertising)
2 - By saying these words, only unjustified hate is bring to some FOSS projects and slow down development and adoption to the whole public
And people are just gonna hate Graphene cause of this and other hating alternatives roms cause graphene said something…
Got a link?
Just added to the post
Appreciated.
Fuck France and its government-sponsored terrorism! When will they learn from the days of Vichy France and its mass surveillance?
Speaking of unsubstantiated accusations, do we have actual, reliable information about what is really going on? Any link in either French or English appreciated.
So in the drama between the Graphene team vs every other privacy-focused Android dev - who should I trust?
Examples of who is on the other side besides “everyone”?
Graphene was going against Calyx or said Calyx was going after them. I only ever seen the Graphene part though so don’t know who was right.
Ty for bringing this to light
CoyoteFacts posted those videos above https://youtu.be/Dx7CZ-2Bajg https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0 so it seems like the other side is literally everyone, from every other android project, random other software, to big yt channels that actually promote GrapheneOS… I wonder how long it will take for the lead dev to start saying his own userbase is after him…
Pixels are very expensive in my country but I was looking forward acquiring one in the future, if my finances permitted, just because of GrapheneOS… but honestly, after discovering its creator is a real mental case, unless the project gets forked out of his control, I wouldn’t trust it.but honestly, after discovering its creator is a real mental case, unless the project gets forked out of his control, I wouldn’t trust it.
I know it’s different (Lemmy isn’t supposed to protect your privacy) but are you familiar with Lenny’s lead developer? Interesting fellow, to say the least.
I joined this fief because it promotes itself as being about open source software, then I discovered the .ml actually stands for marxist-leninist and it’s not mentioned anywhere in the About (I don’t know how it works elsewhere, in my country it’s just an euphemism for stalinist, although .ml contrasts highly with the general disregard for “superstructural” themes, that are just labeled as liberal ideology around here). I keep hearing a lot of things of my lords and my fief’s censorship, although I haven’t witnessed/experienced it yet… I’m probably moving out of Lemmy completely when I have the time.
Lemmy is federated and not an OS. Many different clients also.
Don’t trust graphene lol
Yeah the most secure android operating system vs a bunch of custom roms which are significantly less secure than stock due to less updates, being less hardened, and using insecure components (like reverse engineered gapps)
Secure from what? Security isn’t a dick measuring contest, it’s a living process and arms race. If someone is trying to tell me, “My stuff is the mostest of the biggest security because, hard!” - what I’m hearing is that their threat modeling is ill-defined, maybe not defined at all, and something misleading is going on. Especially when the lead dev of a platform appears to be screaming and shouting about everyone else with a dubious persecution complex.
You could literally read the GraphineOS documentation whenever you want where it clearly outlines how their hardening works, what security systems they have in place, and how their encryption works. I will warn you its incredibly technical, of course you wouldn’t know that because people like you who cant bother to even look at the website (https://www.grapheneos.org/features) wouldn’t know what any of it acturally means.
Tldr: for people who dont understand technical terminology they can trust the project, for people who do they can literally just read the documentation
well said!
imo it’s not a coincidence the public are being steered away from supporting graphene. it’s one thing to see the general public do this (they will do whatever their told), but seeing countless people who supposedly should know better its quite disturbing.
Both, and probably more Graphene.
France’s put up a lot more mass surveillance these days. The fact that the French state tries to blackmail defenders of privacy, should tell you enough.
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The billionaires really want all in on no privacy.
This isn’t the US… French billionaire have next to no stakes in tech industry. (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_billionaires_by_net_worth, the only tech company on there is datadog and that’s a US one)
I doubt L’Oréal or Chanel much for your online data.
Made a sizable donation. I encourage you all to help them manage this situation, defend themselves and keep up their good work.
Yep, drama or not, completely true or not (as is being claimed in this thread), they do incredible work, and if you benefit from it, let this serve simply as a reminder that they deserve some support if you don’t want to wade into all the details.
Super happy to see they take Interac e-Transfers in Canada too.
Are they a registered charity in Canada?
It does not appear so, no :-(
For everyone else*
At this point I’m sure it’s not even about control anymore, it’s just that privacy sometimes gets in the way of “line go up”.
Please just copy and paste the text. It’s not private information.
It’s in the alt text
Alt text is like putting Braille next to a sign; it’s a tool for the blind (who use screen readers to access alt text).
It’s also a backup when the image fails to load, but it’s not a substitute for making sure the image is legible for people who can see.
If you add a transcription in the body of the post, that should cover your remaining bases.
Ah, I use Voyager and it lets you easily read the alt text after clicking on the image, I figured there was similar functionality on other clients. Noted
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State surveillance begins when protecting privacy is treated as a suspect act.
Preventing crimes apparently necessitates to forbid any resistance to surveillance.
So much for France/Europe being a defender of (digital )rights.Is there any information on this from a more reliable source than a screenshot of a discord message from a generic account? Especially from a project whose leader is known for persecutory claims.
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Yes, I know, that’s what I meant. These statements are not attributable to a person.
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Eastern Europe is more democratic than the western one.
