The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much “fuck you” one can hear before going “well, fuck you too”.
it’s basically ‘if men don’t believe in left wing causes then fuck them’ and then they are like ‘why don’t men support us’.
the irony is totally lost on these douchebags who think anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe is wrong/bad/evil/deserves to suffer. then some rant about how pathetic anyone who isn’t as enlightened as they are deserves to suffer. it’s simple pure arrogance and cruelty.
I thought of sharing my experience but people here were already shouting “you are lying or exaggerating” to anybody who shared their experience opposing the narrative, So I didn’t bother, I reach out to some communities when I feel down or hopeless but don’t expect any support,I know I am not entitled to help but gaslighting that your suffering doesn’t matter or are not real sometime hurts, I’m just trying to find ways to deal with them alone.
i shared my experiences. nothing but insults and abuse were thrown at me.
if anything bad happens to a man its’ because we deserve it for not being leftist enough, apparently. oh and even if you are leftist, and you are critical of leftistm or sympathic to non-leftists… well then you deserve to suffer and be in pain until you are ‘reeducated’ to the proper way of thinking where you are a true believer and never critical of any leftist talking point or belief…2
it’s just all masked misandry where their rage at the social elites is projected onto working class and younger people, as if men suddenyl voting democrat is going to radically change our society… it won’t.
oh and even if you are leftist, and you are critical of leftistm or sympathic to non-leftists… well then you deserve to suffer and be in pain.
I have experienced this one too, and it’s disheartening.
it’s just all masked misandry where their rage at the social elites is projected onto the working class and younger people.
I mean I kind of get it, social elites are so well protected and out of reach that angst people attack anybody who appears like them in their closest proximity.
Anyway chin up we still have much more individual control over life than we think, Socializing is hard even more in developed countries and I don’t know your background to suggest that, but try therapy or counseling if not financially troubled, try finding some sports or gym community too it helps, don’t be hopeless there are still some people who are helpful and not hostile with misdirect anger. cheers!
I mean I kind of get it, social elites are so well protected and out of reach that angst people attack anybody who appears like them in their closest proximity.
yeah man. that is the real rub. much easier to attack the average guy working to get buy and blame him for child-rape or something, than go after the social elites who actively do rape children.
it’s so self-defeating. and why the left is so bad at coherent organizing and shit at social issues. the left does much better when it focuses on economics, but economics doesn’t morally outrage people as much as does rooting out the ‘wrong’ people from their political tent.
socializing is easy as long as you avoid leftist idiots who spend all their time being hateful bigots who are shouting about how it’s the right a that is hateful bigots.
socializing is easy as long as you avoid leftist idiots who spend all their time being hateful bigots who are shouting about how it’s the right a that is hateful bigots.
I would not encourage that charged approach, I know some are very dismissive but yet that attitude will have net negative output.
I’m interested in my own happiness. Not making myself miserable for the sake of other people who choose to be miserable hateful bigots and take deep pride and joy in doing so.
No one has mentioned anything yet what the right offers to help men as a solution.
They only said going right as a ‘fuck you too’ threat towards the left.
You have a choice. Be the change or make threats.
If you got a flat tire you can pull over to the side of the road and either:
1: repair it
or
2: punch a hole into the rest of the tires and bitterly yell at all the other cars for having working tires.
If the second was your choice, you can’t pretend for a moment you got involved legitimately to fix a tire. It is a choice. It is your choice. Not everyone else. Not the left. Yours.
as anyone who has ever done any amount of volunteer work can confirm…you can’t help someone who doesn’t even think they have a problem, all you can do is try your best to inoculate yourself to their bullshit
The right offers community for men and a traditional pathway to life milestones that are a core part of happiness for men. This pathway of work hard, go to church, meet a women from church, have kids is very appealing for a lot of men.
They offer structure, discipline and motivation for young men to better themselves.
yep. for some reason the left thinks men wanting these things is evil and wrong. it’s bizarre. but if a woman wants those things they are 100% on board. tons of comments in here shitting on men for wanting stability, family and community.
right thinks men are people and offers them what people want. left doesn’t’ see men as people, it seems them as monsters of entitlement who deserve nothing and should have zero complaints because they are ‘privileged’.
And take any chance you get to troll online to threaten hostility to the left. That is after all why you’re here in this thread on this topic. It isn’t offering much in the way of dealing with feelings and handling challenges of life.
The whole thing hinges on a fragile balance on a very specific mindset that isn’t sustainable without following a very specific path.
Easy to melt a snowflake under that kind of pressure.
And throwing away homosexual men. Their safety isn’t even considered in your one little check box box when they face some of the biggest challenges among men.
Not really convincing me that men’s health is the forefront of your interest here.
they listen and acknowledge their problems. instead of telling men to shut up and fuck off and die.
the fact you think the left having to acknowledge men as legitimate human beings who suffer is sacriled5igous is precisely the problem. the right treats them like people, and isn’t ‘ashamed’ to ask for their support
So you think joining in threads just to rub threats in faces is the help men need. You’ve chosen Poking holes in all the tires and yell. That was your choice. The left didn’t make you this. You chose this.
Nah dude, i am just not an ideologue. I don’t view politics as one side good, other side bad. I don’t treat politics as if it’s religion where we must shun and kill the non-believers.
And sadly that is a perspective so called ‘open minded tolerant’ leftists cannot abide. the possibility that maybe they are just as wrong and stupid as the people they hate because their politics is governed by belief and tribalism above all else. and how totally alienating that is the average person goes right over their heads, because they are true believers who think belief it and of itself justified all their shitty actions and words towards non-believers.
i don’t support the right or the left. they are both largely ignorant ideologies that most get off on opposing each other than caring about real people and real problems.
you realize that is a possibility, i hope. i’m a big gay weirdo who thinks everyone has the right to be happy and secure, no matter their beliefs or identity. i dont’ regard happiness and security to be awarded to people based on their political beliefs.
"Im totally not an idealogue, I’m totally open minded, thats why I can safely say that liberals are evilbad and republicans are flawless and love and respect everyone equally, despite 15 mount everests of facts and proof showing otherwise. Also its totally the democrats that want to kill non-believers, its totally not my pure, loving republican party that wants to do that. "
i never said any of that, but i’m glad you can’t take any criticsm of the leftism without devolving it into good vs evil. which is precisely why young men are anti-left. they don’t want to be told how evil they are. nobody does.
It has nothing to do with the fact that there are entire youtube and facebook groups engineered for and dedicated to funneling the vulneralbe into the right wing hate machine, and how every one of them has family members concerned and saying they changed and became so hateful after starting to listen to whatever right wing predator dejure they picked up.
No no, its the evil left, for being super evil with their calling out republican nonsense, propaganda, and lies.
Truly, Republicans are the greatest, most oppressed victims on earth. Even Jesus weeps for the unfair cruelty of their plight.
Sure is weird how none of my boys have issues dating and maintaining relationships.
It’s almost like these right-wing “children” were raised poorly, and by the same people that scream and cry when they hear the phrase “it takes a village”.
I cant find any stats to suggest there is any difference in the relationship status of right wing men vs left and its not a good idea rhetorically to punch down on men struggling to date.
His point is shit. If they are on the right wing they naturally dont find women who are interested in them. The only one to blame is themselves but since right wingers are incapable of this they blame everyone else.
If this was some one off case yes, I would agree with you. But since the sample is big enough that it affects statistical data for a very broad segment of the population, I think he might have a point. Or let’s keep the head in the sand, and then cry about why Trump is going to win every next election.
You also provided only empirical evidence (mine are fine therefore it’s everyone else fault). Not the best kind of proof.
Here is a video that highlights some of the problems. It’s two years old and still relevant: https://youtu.be/rQv8VuLpKN4
The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much “fuck you” one can hear before going “well, fuck you too”.
it’s basically ‘if men don’t believe in left wing causes then fuck them’ and then they are like ‘why don’t men support us’.
the irony is totally lost on these douchebags who think anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe is wrong/bad/evil/deserves to suffer. then some rant about how pathetic anyone who isn’t as enlightened as they are deserves to suffer. it’s simple pure arrogance and cruelty.
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I thought of sharing my experience but people here were already shouting “you are lying or exaggerating” to anybody who shared their experience opposing the narrative, So I didn’t bother, I reach out to some communities when I feel down or hopeless but don’t expect any support,I know I am not entitled to help but gaslighting that your suffering doesn’t matter or are not real sometime hurts, I’m just trying to find ways to deal with them alone.
i shared my experiences. nothing but insults and abuse were thrown at me.
if anything bad happens to a man its’ because we deserve it for not being leftist enough, apparently. oh and even if you are leftist, and you are critical of leftistm or sympathic to non-leftists… well then you deserve to suffer and be in pain until you are ‘reeducated’ to the proper way of thinking where you are a true believer and never critical of any leftist talking point or belief…2
it’s just all masked misandry where their rage at the social elites is projected onto working class and younger people, as if men suddenyl voting democrat is going to radically change our society… it won’t.
I have experienced this one too, and it’s disheartening.
I mean I kind of get it, social elites are so well protected and out of reach that angst people attack anybody who appears like them in their closest proximity.
Anyway chin up we still have much more individual control over life than we think, Socializing is hard even more in developed countries and I don’t know your background to suggest that, but try therapy or counseling if not financially troubled, try finding some sports or gym community too it helps, don’t be hopeless there are still some people who are helpful and not hostile with misdirect anger. cheers!
yeah man. that is the real rub. much easier to attack the average guy working to get buy and blame him for child-rape or something, than go after the social elites who actively do rape children.
it’s so self-defeating. and why the left is so bad at coherent organizing and shit at social issues. the left does much better when it focuses on economics, but economics doesn’t morally outrage people as much as does rooting out the ‘wrong’ people from their political tent.
socializing is easy as long as you avoid leftist idiots who spend all their time being hateful bigots who are shouting about how it’s the right a that is hateful bigots.
One even became the president.
I would not encourage that charged approach, I know some are very dismissive but yet that attitude will have net negative output.
I’m interested in my own happiness. Not making myself miserable for the sake of other people who choose to be miserable hateful bigots and take deep pride and joy in doing so.
No one has mentioned anything yet what the right offers to help men as a solution. They only said going right as a ‘fuck you too’ threat towards the left.
You have a choice. Be the change or make threats.
If you got a flat tire you can pull over to the side of the road and either:
1: repair it
or
2: punch a hole into the rest of the tires and bitterly yell at all the other cars for having working tires.
If the second was your choice, you can’t pretend for a moment you got involved legitimately to fix a tire. It is a choice. It is your choice. Not everyone else. Not the left. Yours.
as anyone who has ever done any amount of volunteer work can confirm…you can’t help someone who doesn’t even think they have a problem, all you can do is try your best to inoculate yourself to their bullshit
The right offers community for men and a traditional pathway to life milestones that are a core part of happiness for men. This pathway of work hard, go to church, meet a women from church, have kids is very appealing for a lot of men.
They offer structure, discipline and motivation for young men to better themselves.
There is more but these are core I think.
yep. for some reason the left thinks men wanting these things is evil and wrong. it’s bizarre. but if a woman wants those things they are 100% on board. tons of comments in here shitting on men for wanting stability, family and community.
right thinks men are people and offers them what people want. left doesn’t’ see men as people, it seems them as monsters of entitlement who deserve nothing and should have zero complaints because they are ‘privileged’.
I’d disagree here and say that the right see men as ‘useful’ and play off that.
And take any chance you get to troll online to threaten hostility to the left. That is after all why you’re here in this thread on this topic. It isn’t offering much in the way of dealing with feelings and handling challenges of life.
The whole thing hinges on a fragile balance on a very specific mindset that isn’t sustainable without following a very specific path.
Easy to melt a snowflake under that kind of pressure.
And throwing away homosexual men. Their safety isn’t even considered in your one little check box box when they face some of the biggest challenges among men.
Not really convincing me that men’s health is the forefront of your interest here.
Fuck off. I’m not trolling or “threatening hostility to the left”. I offered my perspective on what attracts people to right wing ideo
they listen and acknowledge their problems. instead of telling men to shut up and fuck off and die.
the fact you think the left having to acknowledge men as legitimate human beings who suffer is sacriled5igous is precisely the problem. the right treats them like people, and isn’t ‘ashamed’ to ask for their support
So you think joining in threads just to rub threats in faces is the help men need. You’ve chosen Poking holes in all the tires and yell. That was your choice. The left didn’t make you this. You chose this.
Man, thats some high quality projection right there.
I hope you’re getting paid well, because holy hell to be able to say that shit with a straight face is almost impressive.
Nah dude, i am just not an ideologue. I don’t view politics as one side good, other side bad. I don’t treat politics as if it’s religion where we must shun and kill the non-believers.
And sadly that is a perspective so called ‘open minded tolerant’ leftists cannot abide. the possibility that maybe they are just as wrong and stupid as the people they hate because their politics is governed by belief and tribalism above all else. and how totally alienating that is the average person goes right over their heads, because they are true believers who think belief it and of itself justified all their shitty actions and words towards non-believers.
Look at you. You’re blaming an entity for ‘abandoning’ you.
You know who doesn’t sit around being bitter and live in fragile worry about being abandoned?
People who actually reach out and deal with their mental health and take some ownership over it.
Doesn’t sound like the right are helping you. Sounds like they are Just feeding you a victimhood complex.
i don’t support the right or the left. they are both largely ignorant ideologies that most get off on opposing each other than caring about real people and real problems.
you realize that is a possibility, i hope. i’m a big gay weirdo who thinks everyone has the right to be happy and secure, no matter their beliefs or identity. i dont’ regard happiness and security to be awarded to people based on their political beliefs.
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Nice profile.
"Im totally not an idealogue, I’m totally open minded, thats why I can safely say that liberals are evilbad and republicans are flawless and love and respect everyone equally, despite 15 mount everests of facts and proof showing otherwise. Also its totally the democrats that want to kill non-believers, its totally not my pure, loving republican party that wants to do that. "
i never said any of that, but i’m glad you can’t take any criticsm of the leftism without devolving it into good vs evil. which is precisely why young men are anti-left. they don’t want to be told how evil they are. nobody does.
Yeah, Thats why young people are anti-left.
It has nothing to do with the fact that there are entire youtube and facebook groups engineered for and dedicated to funneling the vulneralbe into the right wing hate machine, and how every one of them has family members concerned and saying they changed and became so hateful after starting to listen to whatever right wing predator dejure they picked up.
No no, its the evil left, for being super evil with their calling out republican nonsense, propaganda, and lies.
Truly, Republicans are the greatest, most oppressed victims on earth. Even Jesus weeps for the unfair cruelty of their plight.
It’s both, really. One side pulling, the other side is pushing.
Sure is weird how none of my boys have issues dating and maintaining relationships.
It’s almost like these right-wing “children” were raised poorly, and by the same people that scream and cry when they hear the phrase “it takes a village”.
Noting is a good excuse for being a fascist.
I cant find any stats to suggest there is any difference in the relationship status of right wing men vs left and its not a good idea rhetorically to punch down on men struggling to date.
Thank you for proving his point
His point is shit. If they are on the right wing they naturally dont find women who are interested in them. The only one to blame is themselves but since right wingers are incapable of this they blame everyone else.
If this was some one off case yes, I would agree with you. But since the sample is big enough that it affects statistical data for a very broad segment of the population, I think he might have a point. Or let’s keep the head in the sand, and then cry about why Trump is going to win every next election.
You also provided only empirical evidence (mine are fine therefore it’s everyone else fault). Not the best kind of proof.
Here is a video that highlights some of the problems. It’s two years old and still relevant: https://youtu.be/rQv8VuLpKN4
Men have real problems that don’t get talked about, sure. That’s not an excuse for being a fascist, because nothing would be