For Context: I’m Chinese American, and I do not feel “ashamed” for my heritage, neither do I feel “ashamed” for being a US Citizen.

The CCP is not my fault. I do not feel any shame of saying I’m from China.

Similarly, the trump admin is not my fault, I voted Harris. I do not feel any shame for being American.

So what is the thought process of people feeling shame/guilt?

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    American liberals would sooner say that the nation is impure than that nationalism is pathological. Many of them literally identify with the state as part of or representative of themselves. Guilt and shame are American rationalisation staples, “I feel bad, but I’m not going to stop.”

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      What a helpful and fair comment that is absolutely not dripping with smug self righteousness. So refreshing!

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          You pretend to be any better than the millions of random strangers you don’t know or understand but criticize anyway.

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            Where do I say that? I understand American liberalism intimately, btw. People can actually know things and also think you’re wrong.

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                Jesus, I see that word so misused on here but someone using it when I ask where I said something two comments above is pretty hilarious.

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                  Lol I know how this goes. If you had your way I’d still be quoting you and attempting in vain to argue an obvious point 3 hours from now. We can just skip all that.

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      So for anyone keeping score at home:

      This is exactly what OP is talking about. Instead of answering the question with anything even remotely resembling a nuanced take- we have instead, decided to make an uneducated blanket assessment of an entire group of people based on zero evidence and a lack of qualifications to make such an accusation.

      For example, I am an American liberal. And everthing they said doesn’t even come close to describing my stance on the issues of nationalism or how I feel about my take on personal political representation.

      But one should never let this get in the way of a good ol’ blanket statement! Because nothing says “no need to take anything I say seriously” any louder than this.

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          Get this, they responded to me saying that checked my profile- and apparently saw that I somehow equate leftists with liberalism and because of this, I don’t know shit, so they blocked me.

          I don’t think I’ve ever put the two in the same bucket.

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            I saw that. A lot of people out there think they are really smart and also that we care that they think that.

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        Jesus how dramatic. Please explain liberalism for me so that I know what I’ve gotten wrong here.

        edit: checked their profile, they think liberalism is “leftist.” Politically illiterate liberal gets mad at the read. Blocked.

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          LMAO.

          They checked my profile, found that I’ve never once said liberalism is leftist, and created a reason to back out of the argument.

          You can’t make this shit up.

          And they blocked me? Well, some gifts just wrap themselves, don’t they?