Several teams of female gamers have dropped out of the Dead by Daylight Women’s World Cup after trans women were banned.
What the hell does gender have to do with gaming?!? There is no inherently gender-based advantage on either end! So stupid…
I can see having a women’s league being valuable to foster a safe space outside of the misogynistic dude bro culture that’s so prevalent in gaming, but that’s a space trans women need access too just as much if not more than cis women.
Exactly. I know chess has women-only events and open events. There is no men’s event. There just wouldn’t be any women if a space weren’t dedicated to women. The culture is so male dominated that it’s needed with no respect to advantage. I imagine e-sports is the same way.
In theory there aren’t, but at the top of basically all esports and even games like chess, there are no women. Why is that? Are men more competitive?
Typically I think men are more competitive and just more likely to pursue things to the degree and extent it takes to become world class in chess for example. It’s not an issue of inherent ability as much as the potential pool of people being smaller
Basically its because our gender is shit and ruins everything.
Being male is a huge advantage when gaming - I don’t know how I’d even game without both hands on the keyboard and controlling the mouse with my dick.
The goal is to eliminate trans people by isolating them and excluding them from society.
Probably a similar reason to why there are tournaments and ranking systems exclusive to women in chess. From my understanding, there are far fewer women in chess than men, more hurdles for women in chess and less opportunity for them to thrive and reach their full potential. Many may have started later and were generally less encouraged to pursue chess, likely resulting in less time spent playing chess from a younger age. Therefore there are events exclusive to women in an effort to create a more balanced competitive environment that isn’t dominated by men who were placed in front of a chess board and cheered on since they were in diapers.
It’s similar to women’s only chess championships. Think of it sort of like an affirmative action type of thing, where the misogyny that’s prevalent in a particular pursuit causes women to be disproportionately underrepresented.
That makes this decision even more galling to me.
Well you see, trans women something something g shoulder orientation something something angle of neck relative to the monitor so obviously there’s just too much of an advantage.
They’re an average of 1.6 seconds faster at their 4pools than cis women.
Coding socks constitute an inherently unfair advantage, skirts allow too great a level of thermal regulation, rofl.
Yeah, this is infuriating.
I did Karate for a decade, went to a number of tournaments, and I’m a giant gamer dork.
Yes, in combat sports, there are legitimate arguments one can make that defining some kind of category delineation based on bone/muscle density from your biology makes roughly as much sense as weight classes… though I can say that only time I have ever been actually, fully KO’d was from a woman, roughly the same age/weight as myself, landing a roundhouse kick directly on my temple (side of my head).
But… keyboard combat? No. Makes no fucking sense at all.
TIL i learned DBD has an esports league
really doesn’t make any sense, does it?
yeah I mean how do you do the rotation when it’s time to switch sides? It’s 4v1.
That is apparently gendered.
And run by bigoted men.
Men are naturally more inclined to videogaming, it’s in their DNA after thousands of years of evolution. It’s unfair for real bioorganic females to compete against men’s superior strength to overcome the physical resistance of cherry mx red keys.
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Sorry, but true gamers use black switches which can only be actuated by the finger-biceps of men
Boycott bigots!
That is probably the worst community to do bigot shit like this too. Most DBD players I know are very based and inclusive
Haha was about to literally buy the game on Steam, bullet dodged.
Do the tournament organizers have anything to do with the game devs?
the game has to approve it being in the tournament. they can withdraw consent
Devs shouldn’t allow it to be official if they do this, send takedown notices.
Saying trans people can’t play pro video games is like saying people from Latin America can’t play sportsball(kicking edition)
You know, I knew this day would come. I knew we would reach the point where we would ban trans women from esports.
Because again it’s never about any advantages trans women have.
Is there even a male / female division is esports?
No there isn’t. They can’t even use that excuse.
I figured it out guys and girls and everything in between.
WHAT IF, we didn’t make male or female or otherwise leagues at all?
The reason for having women’s leagues in sport is because they suck by comparison in some sports and men suck by comparison in others.
How bout everyone is rated equally for performance alone in whatever… fucking luge, 100 meter dash, scrabble. Don’t matter. BUT, you have registered advertising voted for your favorite athletes and money goes to them.
Let’s see where the money goes.
And then we’ll also find out whether all the righteous equality stuff stacks up to what Citizen actually want to see.
Fair and Democratic.If shown bluered images if women or mens football people show no difference in excitement and enjoyment.
Your “fair” approach only works in a world where the starting lines are equal.
I also firmly believe that sports are worth funding irregardless of viewer numbers. It is a net positive for humanity if we compete in sports and celebrate our achievements.
I’m being rather sarcastic in my comment above. But one point to infer might be that the starting line will never be equal. It’s not even equal amongst a group of only men or only women.
100% agree with you, sports are absolutely worth funding at all levels.
We live in a world where misogyny is systemic, just like racism. Girls are told by their parents and peers that they should stay away from certain professions, and then if they do try getting into those fields, like gaming, they are harassed and abused just for being female. For all the same reasons, they also don’t get as many opportunities to make money. As such, their ability to play games, train for esports and travel becomes limited. Having a women’s league removes some of the pressure and paves the way for mixed competitions.
Yeah I agree women’s leagues are very important.
I won’t be watching, so they aren’t getting my ad money at least
What the fuck does gender or sex have to do with esports? This is just another insecure misogynist skill issue thing like every other competition setting where a man once lost to a woman. So fucking stupid.
chess has a separate women’s division… but they consistently rank lower than men and if it was mixed there would be no women playing at top level matches….
there’s also a separate Grand Master and Women’s Grand Master titles… women can become GM’s but they typically don’t….
i imagine the difference is cultural and comes down to how they’re raised….It’s that and also cultural biases getting into your head. If researchers give women and POCs a math test they do fine. If they give them the same math test but frame it like they want to see how their scores come out vs white men they do much worse. The pressure and judgement gets to you and makes you perform poorly even if no one is directly saying you suck.
i did end my conjecture with “cultural”….
i think it’s more along the lines of “girls play with dolls, boys play with chess and guns” cultural thing….
It’s not a matter of ability, but instead comes down to a numbers game. There are significantly more men who play chess, so they will be overrepresented at high levels of play while women will be underrepresented.
You see it in many, many non-physical sports. Chess, e-sports, professional poker, etc.
It’s anecdotal, but I myself used to participate in a niche board sport at a professional level. The skill gaps between men and women at the top level is enormous. The boards are electric, so there is little physical sex based advantage, if anything women’s lower centers of gravity is a plus, but there are just significantly fewer women who race competitively. This is evidenced even further by the fact that each of the women at the top level have tremendous skill gaps between one another when compared to the men.
Ultimately, the more competitors you have in any given bracket, the higher the skill ceiling will be pushed.
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Okay, what’s the excuse for the tournament’s actions?
Are they claiming a Y chromosome now unlocks special gaming abilities when activated with Mtn Dew and Doritos?
Don’t forget that also… There are cis women with y chromosomes. There are cis men without. There are intersex people.
So true. I wonder what their metric is, then? “Sorry you spent too many years on Xbox Live before starting E.” Lmao.
They fucking suck.
I think they’re trying to promote women in sports, and some idiot decided that a male player might enter the comp looking for easy wins against a smaller pool of players.
Its a compete failure to read the room, but that’s my guess as to how they ended up here.
i’v always found dr.pepper and flaming hot cheetos to be a better performance enhancer
Mountain dew and pizza for us pc gamers. Or redbull and vodka 😬
But the real trick is to eat/hydrate properly and actually exercise, like a real athlete, but then manage your stims properly for the actual competition so you aren’t desens or already worn out or gas early
my guess (regarding split divisions) is it’s just money, there are many more times hardcore male gamers than female… but people want to watch female gamers as much or more than men…
so if you had coed competitions, they’d end up being 95% male, and they’d make less money…Not co-ed, trans-inclusive.
duly noted….
i was speculating on the reasoning behind their rules; having a split women’s and men’s divisions…. not the reasoning for being trans-exclusive.Oh, I was talking about the trans exclusion. Sorry, I didn’t mean to come across as nitpicky; I thought your comment was calling trans women men and I wanted to test the waters without being overly confrontational.
no worries… it’s a treacherous world out there and i could’ve been more clear
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are there any alternative/indie sports competitions?
“for technical and operational reasons” my elbow
The statement says the decision to ban trans women “was based solely on technical and operational limitations.”
“In a global online tournament, we do not have reliable tools to ensure transparency and verification for every participant. For this reason, we had to make decisions under uncertainty, relying instead on the trust we place in team leaders and their players,” it says. “… This situation does not reflect a lack of willingness to be inclusive, but rather the absence of adequate mechanisms to manage verification in a fair, safe, and respectful manner for all participants.”
So, WTF does this even mean? I don’t watch e-sports, but are leagues sometimes separated by gender? If so, why? I always assumed there were mixed teams, since gender or sex in this realm is 100% irrelevant when it comes to skill.
Either way, it’s complete bullshit.
Women are generally underrepresented in esports, so it makes sense to have a women’s division to foster interest and give them a community of their own in a male-dominated field. Of course, the arguments for barring trans women are even more specious than in contact sports
in the same way that engineering disciplines often provide priority to women because it’s hard af for them in the discipline not for any good reason but just because the industry is misogynistic af
being a women and a gamer is far more toxic than being a man and a gamer, and that drives away a lot of women who may have been the best, and men don’t have that same hindrance just by virtue of their gender
id argue too that anyone claiming to be trans probably has similar levels of toxicity, and therefor it shouldn’t be an issue: if the division is about encouraging diversity to combat toxicity, who cares if that toxicity comes from transphobia or misogyny
You’re not thinking like a bigot, that’s why you’re confused. In their minds, most trans women are actually just pervy men trying to gain unfair access to sexy gamer girls so that they can assault them. The organizers feel an obligation to protect women from a threat they imagined in their heads.
