We can each go around finding articles that prove the point of either side. The truth is that the topic is complicated and needs more research. Picking out the few studies that prove your point and ignoring the ones that don’t isn’t engaging with the body of scientific knowledge in good faith. See my other comment to you too.
In nonathletic trans men starting testosterone therapy, within 1 year, muscle mass and strength increased and, by 3 years, physical performance (push-ups, sit-ups, run time) improved to the level of cisgender men. In nonathletic trans women, feminizing hormone therapy increased fat mass by approximately 30% and decreased muscle mass by approximately 5% after 12 months, and steadily declined beyond 3 years. While absolute lean mass remains higher in trans women, relative percentage lean mass and fat mass (and muscle strength corrected for lean mass), hemoglobin, and VO2 peak corrected for weight was no different to cisgender women. After 2 years of GAHT, no advantage was observed for physical performance measured by running time or in trans women. By 4 years, there was no advantage in sit-ups. While push-up performance declined in trans women, a statistical advantage remained relative to cisgender women.
Okay, so first of all, what is the relevance of the results of nonathletic trans women when we are talking about sports?
Second, according to your own quote, even this study seems to conclude that a statistical advantage in strength remained for trans women WHO DON’T EVEN DO SPORTS.
You can’t prove a negative. You need to provide a source that trans women “keep winning in every sport that requires strength and endurance.” keep and every are big claims there.
The truth is more nuanced and highly depends on the individual person and their history. Some trans women never go through a male puberty, for example. Trans women on estrogen and testosterone blockers lose a significant amount of muscle mass. Depending on the sport that can actually be a disadvantage because they’re moving around typically heavier phrames with less muscle. There’s also differences, typically, in things like center of gravity. Less muscle mass (for their size/frame), a heavier frame, and higher center of gravity could cause a disadvantage for an individual in sports like wrestling, as another example.
The truth is we don’t actually know very well, scientifically speaking, and it needs to be studied more. A big problem in studying it more is that there are so few trans athletes and the sample sizes are very small.
Saying trans women are flat out better in “every sport that requires strength and endurance” is outright hyperbole bordering on being flat out wrong and does not engage with current scientific knowledge on the topic in good faith.
Never been a huge fan of his humor personally, but the core content here is nuanced and on point. https://youtu.be/flSS1tjoxf0
What about those interested in playing other competitive sports? Are we just going to erase them?
what about trans men interested in playing competitive juggling? are we just going to erase them?
what about nonbinary people who dislike cooking? have you forgotten about them completely???
and you haven’t even mentioned your opinion on waffles, do you hate them?
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the conversation was about trans women and badminton, not other things
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because the ban is petty and vindictive. trans women are roughly equal in performance with cis women
Then why do they keep winning in every sport that requires strength and endurance?
Source?
You made the claim they were roughly equal in strength. Do you have any sources on that? Because the science says otherwise.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846503 https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/02/28/bjsports-2020-103106
If these aren’t unfair advantages, IDK what is.
We can each go around finding articles that prove the point of either side. The truth is that the topic is complicated and needs more research. Picking out the few studies that prove your point and ignoring the ones that don’t isn’t engaging with the body of scientific knowledge in good faith. See my other comment to you too.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37437247/
Okay, so first of all, what is the relevance of the results of nonathletic trans women when we are talking about sports?
Second, according to your own quote, even this study seems to conclude that a statistical advantage in strength remained for trans women WHO DON’T EVEN DO SPORTS.
Source that I made a claim?
Umm, they don’t.
The perception they do is ginned up hysteria.
Source?
You can’t prove a negative. You need to provide a source that trans women “keep winning in every sport that requires strength and endurance.” keep and every are big claims there.
The truth is more nuanced and highly depends on the individual person and their history. Some trans women never go through a male puberty, for example. Trans women on estrogen and testosterone blockers lose a significant amount of muscle mass. Depending on the sport that can actually be a disadvantage because they’re moving around typically heavier phrames with less muscle. There’s also differences, typically, in things like center of gravity. Less muscle mass (for their size/frame), a heavier frame, and higher center of gravity could cause a disadvantage for an individual in sports like wrestling, as another example.
The truth is we don’t actually know very well, scientifically speaking, and it needs to be studied more. A big problem in studying it more is that there are so few trans athletes and the sample sizes are very small.
Saying trans women are flat out better in “every sport that requires strength and endurance” is outright hyperbole bordering on being flat out wrong and does not engage with current scientific knowledge on the topic in good faith.
Never been a huge fan of his humor personally, but the core content here is nuanced and on point. https://youtu.be/flSS1tjoxf0
Okay, so your response to actual scientific research is a John Oliver video? You know he’s a comedian, making a comedy show, right?
False, estrogen gets rid of the strength