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Oh my god! That’s terrible! 20 million people!?
What have they ever done to Bluesky!? Why would Bluesky go out of its way to hit so many people!?
Have you met people?! I’m surprised it’s only 20 million. It shows a near saint like self-control on Bluesky’s part.
Interesting choice for the thumbnail picture. That was pre-butterfly logo. That picture is several months old.
The butterfly logo is one of the greatest things about that company, especially after Bad Man #2 decided to kill the beautiful bird logo. What an absolute waste that was.
I just… I could never comprehend twitter (or Mastadon, or bluesky for that matter).
The whole structure of the conversation feel like people shouting into an open auditorium. And everyone is shouting at once.
I just do not see the appeal.
I love it for sports stuff. This player is out today. Player was injured in the game and out for the remainder of the game. Records, stats, things like that are great for these mediums.
I thought it was a great idea for official statements. Kind of like a new type of RSS feed.
Local transport companies can advertise delays, meteorology organisations can advertise natural disasters, police can post active missing person alerts, etc.
But it seems like it is just vapid narcissists thinking other people give a shit about their random thoughts.
Yeah. I think that’s the appeal. You could just shout things and hope others would follow until a part of the auditorium would turn their heads to you. So, if someone shouted “it’s an Earthquake!”, and people nearby felt it and tweeted, implying it was true, everyone in the auditorium would know about it. Of course, other types of messages were send in Twitter, but most importantly, actors and robots started to use Twitter to plainly shout lies and noise.
Small notes to be answered rarely.
I’ve looked at the early Usenet archives, and typical posts there resembled this format quite a lot. It’s later that Usenet became a place where you write long considerate posts, and also expect rather quick answers.
It’s actually interesting to communicate in a rare terse format.
The reason I don’t use Twitter, BlueSky, anything like that is - I don’t have a scenario of it being useful for me.
Usenet to me seems more like Lemmy than anything else. All conversations are groups by topic, just like Lemmy. Although they are all just “text posts”.
I follow some economist guys, they are always sharing some graphs and chart data that help people to invest efficiently on the local stock market. Some talk to them and I follow the conversations as they are really interesting. But I don’t talk to them.
Asking as a layman, isn’t it well established that the stock market is extremely efficient and that active trading underperforms (for the same risk level) passively buying the market? Or does this not apply to very local markets?
Indeed. At least it does here in south America. Actually active trading is discouraged because you are always running after the price change.
As you say, performance wise, you either go random or buying ETFs for good overall performers indexes, like s&p or the DOW
There are upsides to Twitter, but having to follow somebody and to register is a no.
You can just search them.
I’m with you 100%. The Twitter product has always been a clunky pile of bullshit for me. But somehow it became the default public space and choice of celebrities, etc and I think that has been 98% of its appeal.
Yea. Used it for four things. To keep up to date with creators I like, to keep up to date with friends, to keep up to date with a bunch of webcomics and to randomly rant into the void when I felt like it.
In an auditorium with everyone shouting you don’t get to hear anything. In Twitter you get to see what you want instead of what most people want like on reddit and Lemmy. I much prefer that to other people deciding for me. At least that way I can see something other than shitposts and US politics.
Me too but here’s one useful function:
Perhaps you are aware there is an ongoing event, say for example a football game, or an election, or an outage of your email service provider. You go to one of these “scream into the void” social sites, search on the topic, and learn what people are saying about it. Maybe someone knows what’s really going on, maybe some of those people have some interesting insights and you engage with them, not unlike you and I are engaging right now. Others can observe, perhaps contribute, and after the event has concluded, everyone goes their own way. Hopefully in the end the interactions are beneficial for all.
How are these interactions beneficial for all? What a load of crap.
Thats a job for ‘journalists’ these days.
About 15 years ago, I moved to a city where I didn’t know anyone. I joined Twitter because I like to try new apps as early as possible. It turned out to be a great place to talk about live music in my city, amongst other things. I met all my friends on Twitter.
At that time in my city, it was very much the town square that Elon wants it to be now. It was a place to discuss events in realtime; especially sporting events.
I suspect the advantage for Twitter was that you could communicate with people you didn’t know directly like celebrities, authors, politicians, etc. Not just write to them, but they write back because sending off a short message is much easier than making a call or writing a letter. Sometimes that is an unhealthy parasocial relationship but, it doesn’t have to be.
Kevin Smith basically started writing the movie Tusk in a collaborative way with Twitter.
Agree, it’s like I had a feed for reading only instagram/facebook comments. No, thanks
Me too. Tried twitter way back in the early days of it. Never found it useful. Others did though obviously, which I don’t understand, but they did. What I find interesting is the seeming need to replace it with something similar. Why? Is it like gradually kicking an addiction by switching to something slightly less bad, but not going full cold turkey?
What I find interesting is the seeming need to replace it with something similar. Why?
Oh yeah. Why? Yeah… yeah I could never imagine leaving one toxic social media and then trying to find a similar replacement…
Seems to me like you comprehend it perfectly!
I also never really saw the appeal. And I closed the account I’d barely used since 2007 (When it was primarily for announcing you were pooping and Lifehacker told me you could make lists with remember the milk) when the first buddy bought it.
I occasionally tried to use it for getting near real time news about things, but I guess I sucked at following the right people.
Now, with privacy badger, I never have to interact even when sites embed xits (if we’re going with xitter, then it’s full of xits, right?).
Damn I sure hope they’re gonna pay compensation for all the users they hit
Such a letdown, I had hoped that with the downfall of Twitter people would finally kick their addictions to vapid trash media.
I had hoped that with the downfall of Twitter people would finally kick their addictions to vapid trash media.
And yet, here you are
And so am i
And my axe!
And here I am as well
Standing here
Doing my part!
I wasn’t even supposed to be here today.
Here we all are, not just you
The amount of artists and creatives I follow on Bluesky aren’t vapid trash media.
Anyone try the bridge? Seems a bit convoluted.
Anything that gets people off Twitter is a good thing. And it means more potential mastodon users later on ;)
Yeah it works fine. My mastodon account has gained 40 followers from bluesky even though I have a bluesky account too!
Nice. I went and followed via Mastodon but I cant seem to follow anyone other than the default users. Im using https://fed.brid.gy/ is there a better bridge out there?
Not sure exactly what you’re asking, but it’s opt in.
So since I opted in, my mastodon account is shown as a bluesky account on bluesky.
But I can only follow bluesky accounts from mastodon if they’ve opted into the bridge, which seems to be a decent number, but still a small proportion. And the replies to my posts that are on bluesky, will only be visible to me from mastodon if the people replying have opted into the bridge.
I’m not using mastodon much anyways, because there are too little people there who care about what I post, but I use a service to post which automatically posts on mastodon / bluesky (and until last week when i opted out, twitter), so I’ll still be posting to mastodon even though it’s only for a handful of people compared to my 8k bluesky followers.
It used to not require opt-in, but Mastodon users were strongly opposed to the idea of Mastodon actually being interoperable with other services and harassed the developer.
I’m trying Bridgy Fed, but it’s too janky. My Bluesky friends and I are able to follow each other and see each others’ posts. But, I tried to respond to a Bluesky post and Bluesky never saw my reply.
Your reply is there? Did it just take a while to go through?
Gah, it happened again. This reply to this Bluesky post didn’t make it to Bluesky. I wonder if it’s because I included two links to Xitter.
It seems the bridge didn’t see the reply. Might be something worth making a bug report about. (Also, ignore the update profile entry, I clicked the icon by accident)
Whoa, yeah. I sent a second reply, and that time it actually made it to Bluesky. I’ll chalk it up to early adopter jank. We’re used to it on Lemmy and Mbin.
Bridgy Fed is pretty straightforward. You just follow the account and away you go.
It doesn’t make your bridged posts particularly attractive-looking (essentially you appear as a bot under a subdomain of a server), but it’s searchable and discoverable in the target network.
I’m now mostly using Blue Sky, but I bridge to Mastodon, so all my posts form part of the content that’s available to fediverse users. For little old me that’s not all that important, but if every big organisation or journalist or celeb did that too, that’d do a lot to build vitality into the fediverse network.
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The urge to act like an asshole on another platform is just too much…
Twitter was a cesspool long before trump, and it was made such by the same people trying to distance themselves from it now.
“Ohh… I wasn’t a cunt on Twitter, I’m one of the people moving away from it”.
Except on Bluesky you create your own algorithm. You’re not rage-baited by an algorithm that exists to “maximise engagement”, and although spam bots exist on Bluesky, they have virtually no reach.
Twitter, where the response to “I like Hot Dogs” is “Why do you hate Cheeseburgers???”
All that matters is the cesspool that isn’t going to make Musk any money
Is there anything in Bluesky’s design that prevents the company from attracting a critical mass of users and then restricting federation, or cutting it off entirely?
No.
Despite being “open source”, if you want to run your own Personal Data Sever, to join the network you’ll need to join Bluesky’s AT Protocol PDS Admins Discord server:
I don’t know how old this document is, but I created my own PDS this weekend and it’s not have to join their Discord server to do so.
Using discord for this is such a bonehead move.
That would effectively lock participation behind Discord’s terms and conditions. No thanks.
(But thanks for sharing that info. :)
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Bluesky is centralised and funded by VCs. It plays at being decentralised because people can bring their own hardware to the party and plugin to the Bluesky network, but if Bluesky (the company) turns it off, then Bluesky the platform/network ceases to be usable. They also started without allowing federation with their core network, so they can easily disable it again at any time.
Bluesky is not decentralised in any meaningful way, which means its at risk of the same bullshit that has driven most of us away from reddit, twitter, facebook etc
Nothing is truly decentralized. If your Lemmy instance shuts down your account is gone too.
Sure, but the network itself is still there and still running, and I can still use it (albeit with some disruption).
The point is though, that as long as it’s not dependent on a single instance, enshittification isn’t the inevitable end state.
And for me, despite the usability issues of the fediverse instance based method, it’s a better alternative than joining and losing another social media network to gradual enshittification and slack moderation
It’s not like my account is that important. I have the same account on different instances so when one has technical problems, I just use the other. Just copied the settings over. Not like I need to be able to go through all my history much.
BYOI
Don’t give the VCs any ideas!
Two different questions.
They are a gateway to federated material as any other (like Lemmy), and those controls are at the platform. They can gatekeep federated content very simply.
There is nothing stopping them from leaving it all open aside from costs though. Hosting is very expensive, and I’m not sure how they plan to support their platform aside from advertising, at which point you may be stuck in a spot where you shut down certain intersections to appease advertisers.
They currently have no plans for advertisement.
On what they’re currently planning to bring in money:
https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/24/24278666/bluesky-working-on-premium-subscription
That could change at any time, but seems likely to be true for now.
I would guess things will be fine at least up until they either IPO or they get bought by a VC firm or some public corp. That’s the point in the ensuing to fixation cycle to move to something else (unless something unexpected happens like they really do nicely federate before then or something else that may save the platform).
So I’m guessing probably at least a couple years that it’ll be good, and it’s 10000x better than Xitter.
I won’t be joining in until I can actually run a real instance on my own.
I don’t plan on doing that, but the important part is knowing that I could.
Instances are run through a central “relay” which is controlled by Bluesky HQ, so it isn’t decentralized like, say, Mastodon is.
I know.
ATproto has some interesting advantages, and eventually the idea is for anyone to be able to host any microservice component of the network, including relays other than the one run by Bluesky.
The relays don’t need to be centralized. They are indexers that provide functionality to others parts of the ATproto network.
The problem is that there isn’t really any incentive to do so… Any additional instances or new apps running ATproto can just rely on the one big indexer provided by Bluesky, instead of running each microservice component themselves.
Would the relays be connected, though? Or would each one be an entirely different ecosystem?
No.
But they don’t need to be. They’re essentially just indexers.
If two relays index all the same content, then any services using either will be “interconnected” in the sense that any users can see each other and interact with each other.
Each relay host can choose what parts of the network they want to index, and as far as I can tell, any services could use multiple relays if they like.
Right-wing crypto funded.
I don’t know about that. The big issue, for me, is that it isn’t actually decentralized.
They posted about the crypto investor (who is also on their board of directors now)
It is, however, de-elonized
I just “secured” my handle there. It’s unlikely I’ll become a frequent user/poster, but who knows…
No need to secure a handle, you can use a domain name you own as your handle.
Didn’t know that. Thanks :-)
Yay, I finally jumped on the bandwagon at the right time!
What percentage of those are bots?
There’s not that many bots yet and people are big into blocking (and you can subscribe to block lists so it’s automatic). I’m sure as it grows, bot traffic will too — it’s seemingly inevitable — but 20 million users isn’t really that much compared to legacy platforms. I think is mostly news because lots of people are fleeing X due to the election.
Seems likely to be very low so far.
Although it’s getting enough attention lately that this may change.
Congrats to Bluesky.
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You think advertising a paid BlueSky related service (which Lemmy already hates because it’s not Mastedon) is not going to get you lambasted here?
If you haven’t already, posting this on “that other place” would be better
As I explained in one of my posts, I believe it’s an excellent idea to establish a community identity (where all members share the same domain) and financially support it. Hosting and domain services are not free, and assisting admins in attracting more donations is one of the most effective ways to sustain a community.
I’m also rewriting the website so the core functionality will be open sourced :3
Yeah, no thanks. Upon entering, the first thing I saw was a red flashing card with:
LIMITED TIME EARLY BLACK FRIDAY SALE!
11:59:56
USE CODE “EARLYBF” for 25% off
There couldn’t be any better indicator than this that this service is BS.
~Oh and the counter resets everytime I visit the site, lol~
Aaaa, in the original code, I was attempting to parse the date in the format mm:dd:yyyy. However, I used a different date format in the endDate, which caused the timer to be reset (since it crashed). I apologize for any confusion this may have caused! I’ve updated the code now. Thanks for letting me know! :3
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