Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for “Mass downvoting innocuous content,” so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we’re not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
Going down my front page and down voting half of the posts because I think they’re low-effort trash is not “mass downvoting.” It’s very literally engaging with the system exactly as it was designed and intended.
You know what is also using the system exactly as designed? Blocking the user or comm posting the content you don’t like.
I don’t like League of Legends. I’m not going to waste my time downvoting every post about it in the All feed. I’m going to block the LoL comm(s), and anyone who is only posting LoL news to the general gaming comms.
When it gets to the point where you’re downvoting anywhere close to half of a community or user’s posts, it’s past time to just block them. You aren’t personally responsible for curating the entire fucking fediverse, you’re responsible for your own feed.
I find it hilarious that OP does not respond to logical arguments like this. Only facts supporting their existing viewpoint are presented, everything else is ignored.
Which is easy enough to deal with for just one account (block them), but since this seems a trend across many users, becomes a major problem that severely hinders if not outright halts any growth of the entire concept of the Threadiverse. 😭
I have the sneaking suspicion this is a lot of hay from people that don’t like Pug’s politics. This thread is pretty dumb even by internet drama standards.
Yeah it feels like a solution looking for a problem - being down on him and trying to find any excuse to do so. What’s so funny is that I’m sure there are actual good reasons to do so (at least, if someone were targeting myself I know they could find good material to use - literally nobody is perfect:-), but this one seems just so genuinely dumb.
Which feels so very much like Reddit. Dayum, I had forgotten what it was like.
Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. I had a nice hearty laugh at one of the ml admins criticizing pug for cultivating ideological bubbles, so it hasn’t been a total waste of time. I guess it takes one to know one?
That one seemed to me to miss the point entirely - like even if PJ was a PTB, overall (I have no idea), that’s not what seems to be happening here, which is supposed to be the point of this post.
Which of course was presented without any evidence supporting OP’s claim, and where they ironically provided a bunch of evidence to the contrary instead (e.g. admitting to mass-downvoting).
Freedom means that your rights end where someone else’s begins, subject to the natural laws of the universe.
Except ofc to authoritarians who want what they want and also for no-one else to have the same, and where truth vs. falsehood depends on who said something rather than reality. “Freedom”, along with every other word, means whatever they want it to mean in that moment of time, as a tool to achieve their objective.
On your frontpage, sure.
On “All”, not so much. Other people need to be free to enjoy things even if you personally do not like them.
Banning people from communities who abuse the features of Lemmy is also a core feature of the platform, as intended, to help avoid the excesses that could otherwise happen.
The literal job of a mod is to curb excesses in favor of protecting the community, to keep it alive and welcoming to post content to.
One of the (MANY) reasons that I left Reddit was due to it not stopping the bot large-scale downvoting sprees that happened in smaller communities as they would get brigaded by larger communities. When you scroll down and see that EVERY single comment to a post, or every single post in a community, has 1-2 downvotes (and then a hard cutoff like when presumably it last ran), it was pretty clear to see what was going on. It made it feel less than friendly to post when brigaders just wanted to emotionally vomit upon everyone.:-(
Everyone here has the freedom to interact with a post… until a mod/admin curbs that freedom, for the sake of the larger community.
That happens in small unpopular communities here. I don’t imagine you could run a pro Tesla community, for example
The meat eating community I’m part of attracts more down votes than it has members on almost everything
Ed. I just checked my community and it looks like either the bans are working, or lemmings have learnt to block communities they don’t like
But if someone did try to run a Pro-Tesla community (whether limiting it to pre-2025 purchases or not), then I could well understand them banning every single user who did absolutely nothing whatsoever other than downvote. Brigading is against the TOS of many Lemmy instances iirc. As well as many communities too - e.g. it’s #4 in this one.
And you could debate the morality of a Pro-Tesla community, but apparently this OP is talking about merely historical memes, at which point abusing the posters to that community (or possibly only PugJesus himself, that point was never clarified since zero actual evidence was presented beyond the admission that OP did in fact take part in personally brigading against many posts in that community).
Real “rebel without a cause” vibes here - someone downvoting purely to be a dick about it, so much so that they don’t even realize that that is what they are doing, and all the more so continuing to double down despite most everyone telling them that fact.
(I personally would simply block any Pro-Tesla community and move on with my life)
Unpopular stuff gets voted to oblivion just with random drive-bys. It looks like brigading but doesn’t need to be organised
OP admitted it was organized, as in targeted - that’s the entire point of this post.
Random is fine, but when it becomes organized… well, that’s when mods intervene to put a stop to it (or at least if they do, nobody questions that - except OP, apparently).
Sure. But why are you so angry about historical artifacts lol
It’s like “here’s a cool spear from the 13th century” “LOW EFFORT TRASH FUCK THIS ARJHGSEFJHSDGBFKJSDHFBGDSK NO I DON’T WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE I WANT HIM TO SUFFER”
You clearly put a LOT more emphasis on a downvote than literally anyone else, if that’s your thought process. It’s one click.
I’m referring to all the sturm and drang in this community, and getting upset about simply seeing this type of content but refusing to unsubscribe to curate your own feed.
If it was just downvotes, I wouldn’t be aware of it and we wouldn’t be talking right now.