I still wouldn‘t willingly enter a Chinese car or a Tesla.
I’ll engage in good faith: why not?
Probably because one uses slaves in the manufacturing process, and the other has the Elon Musk affiliation and is therefore a nazi car.
You do realize that the US uses prisoners as slave labor to the tune of $11B annually, right?
China has massively boosted the living conditions of workers since the 1980s-1990s. The accusations of sweatshops 40 years ago made sense, but in 2025 they’re absurd, especially seeing the vast improvement in life quality in China compared to other countries which 100 years ago were in an identical condition, such as India or Bangladesh.
I have a chinese car from GWM, the build quality is on par with most european brands. and by that I mean it beats the living shit out of american meakers +Fiat.
Why wouldn’t you enter a Chinese car?
Eww. Not without their consent I hope.
One of them is safe
As should the rest of the world.
I remember noting the bad handles and windows when sitting in one.
When even China has to ban your product due to safety concerns, you’ve probably made some seriously bad design choices somewhere along the line.
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Glances nervously at Ford, BMW, VW, Mitsubishi, etc…
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Must be nice having a functional government
I don’t think China or the US would be called nice in this regard.
Well, the US is very nice to corporations which is why they’re often left to self regulate, are regulated by former industry insiders, or are barely regulated through fines and settlements
So yeah I suppose in this regard China is not being nice but being nice doesn’t effectively regulate corporations. This is in fact a good example of a functional government doing its job
Your original statement said must be nice as in it must be nice for the governed. Not that the country was being nice. The governments of both countries are complete garbage. Must be nice to have this one thing work is different than either being a functional government for its people.
Well it is in fact nice for the governed when their governments enforce good regulations. I’m not sure what’s in dispute here, do you not think it’s nice to have a proper regulation in place that will be followed?
Your original statement called the US and China not nice so I just followed your grammar logic 🤷♀️
Are you just desperate to have us acknowledge that these countries have serious flaws too?
I apologize if my original statement was not clear, I was also following suit and meant nice for the individual. Essentially I was saying one governmental nicety doesn’t make up for the country’s govt being a cluster fuck. Having the government perform one thing functional is not the same as a functional government. That was my point.
China and America are perfectly functional governments despite their flaws. Are you just looking for an opportunity to dunk on them?
In the area of automative regulation America is the only developed nation to have increased traffic deaths over the past decade or so. You can go verify that fact.
So when it comes to seeing China implement a basic automative regulation, it is indeed a “must be nice” situation.
The problem with your original statement is that it’s stupid and patronizing
No it seems the problem is you appear to think because there are a few positives, the governments are functional. So I guess it depends on what you mean by functional. You are welcome to disagree, I was just clearing up what I meant. There are people that say at least Hitler made the trains run on time. I wouldn’t say functional though.
Americans are going to mandate retractable handles in response
Cool I’d love to see less of these handles in America if they are flush.
extra handles, 2 handles per door, bigger handles, bigger extra handles
And all of them retractable.
There is a large demand for Teslas in China believe it or not. Very possible this is just motivated by trying to favor Chinese automakers more so than out of genuine safety concerns.
I don’t think this have anything to do with Tesla, because a lot of chinese car does have this sort of door handle, and more and more are ready to follow the trend.
Good, it’s such an incredibly stupid design. Literally no one was bothered by a slight handle for better UX.
Why not have those plastic handles on the sides of the doors that don’t stick out? They could even have covers for them.
More great news fot Tesla stock!
EU next, please.
Should not have allowed them in the first place.
Thus is the old debate between Allow list versus Deny list.
On an Allow list system, everything is forbiden exceot what’s explicitly allowed, while on a Deny list, everything is allowed except what’s explicitly forbidden.
Aviation companies work mostly on Allow list system, meaning even small changes and improvements require certification before it’s approved for use. If this system was in use by car companies, the consequences would be similar, only 2 or 3 companies worldwide, making a few models each, all of them much more expensive than what they are now.
I’m glad that the automotive industry works mostly on a Deny list system. It keeps the barrier to entry lower for new manufacturers, innovation is faster and competition keeps prices reasonable.
Occasionally, issues like this pop up, requiring a ban, but in this industry I prefer this than the alternative.
Honest question - why do you prefer this?
There’s nothing bleeding edge in cars these days except for security and drive train features. I have 2 cars - new EV and 15 year old economy Toyota and honestly aside from drive train itself there’s nothing I can find in the new car that makes me feel like my old car is missing something important.
Car technology has stagnated so bad that “deny list” approach makes no sense since the innovation potential is so incredibly poor. We lose safety and uniform UX for what? Fashion? It’s kinda stupid.
Almost like we’ve already pretty much optimized the design and trying to fix what isn’t broken just leads to stupid consiquences?
This is kind of a bad faith black and white argument. No one is arguing for a draconian regulation of car designs. There’s already a system of regulations and review in place for certifying new car designs are safe and compliant with regulations, and the danger this design introduces in the event of an emergency should have prevented it from being certified safe for use. Any idiot can see with 30 seconds of thought that a car door you need power to open is inherently unsafe and will get people killed in situations where a manual door wouldn’t. It’s like arguing car manufacturers should be allowed to install a gun in the middle of every airbag that shoots the passenger in the event of a crash just because there’s no regulation specifically banning them from doing it. That’s not how the law works and it’s not how safety regulations work.
If this system was in use by car companies, the consequences would be similar, only 2 or 3 companies worldwide, making a few models each, all of them much more expensive than what they are now.
And, as it happens, those 2 or 3 companies not really following the regulations, practically employing inspectors instead. Like Boeing.
EU has an allow system, which is the reason the CyberTrucks is not on the EU market. It would not be able to pass the safety requirements if they attempted.
On a similar note, the EU also has an allow system for all vehicles already on the road. Every single vehicle is inspected every two years, with the first check for new cars being after 4 years. This system keeps older rusty cars away from the roads.
Tesla’s other models have an issue passing even the first test. It’s the brand with the highest failing rate of all car brands.
Can China ban retina burning headlights, rear facing floodlights and aftermarket exhausts now?
Don’t ban aftermarket exhausts completely, just the ones that optimize for loudness or dirtier air.
I’d like to see devices that detect when a car is running too rich or lean (bad cases I can smell right away, so it should be detectable at a range), along with enforcement and seizing vehicles where they deliberately mess with those, especially if there’s a switch or function present that can switch between legal and illegal modes to pass emissions tests and then go back to spewing out unburnt fuel or a much higher number of nitrous oxide compounds.
Is that why I hear so many backfiring cars now?
The headline is terrible.
They’re not banning retractable door handles, they’re banning electronic mechanisms for opening doors.
Door handles can still be retractable, they just need to work mechanically without power not electronically like Tesla handles do.
Which makes a fuck-ton more sense than having emergency manual release cables that nobody knows about. Last thing you want in an emergency is an escape route that requires special knowledge or tools to use.
Good
Musk makes a product so shitty even China is like, hold up.
Good.
Next can we outlaw touchscreens? I’m guessing they are far more dangerous in the end.
i think often about that GM and Volvo paid Virginia Tech a lot of money to help them design a safe touchscreen infotainment center and after years of research the researchers basically reached the conclusion “there’s no safe way to put a touchscreen in a car” and now we all have touchscreens in our cars
I mean, there’s also no safe touchscreen on a mobile phone, and one would think a main personal mobile communication device should have the least disruptable user interface possible.
A stylus makes some sense, it’s a more convenient tool for drawing on a screen. But touchscreens must die.
I’m trying to dial someone or do anything at all in a dark place, I have to look with my eyes at a burning screen (notably with some crappy flat design of all UI elements, as is custom today) and try to hit it with my fingers. My fingers notably come from factory without backlight or auto-aim.
I could just remember which key is which, and rely on my tactile feeling to find them.
I’m trying to do anything at all in frosty weather (that kind when you feel like scratching your skin, normal winter, minus 10 Celsius is enough to feel that), I have to take off my glove and try to hit whatever with my fingers which become obviously clumsier under such temperatures.
And I can’t simultaneously do something and look at the display, because I’m poking my fingers at that display to do something!
And it’s easier to do something you didn’t intend.
I hope everything with a touchscreen dies as a consumer good, similarly to young nuclear scientist kits for toddlers, asbestos roof tiles, lead paint, you get the idea. Some things are bad.
