I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that someone can be this stupid unintentionally.
“Tiny Man Square” LMAO…. The coward won’t even say it.
I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that someone can be this stupid unintentionally.
“Tiny Man Square” LMAO…. The coward won’t even say it.
Al Jazeera is hit or miss. Chomsky is trash.
Great. So your criteria include a little bit more than just “sources that don’t advance Western imperialism.” Can you give some examples? Maybe, like, a couple of academic sources, and a couple of journalistic ones?
(Like I said, I’ve had this conversation before, more than once. I’m well aware of why you are so reluctant to give a straight answer to this simple question. I’m curious whether you are aware of why you aren’t able to give a straight answer…)
I’ve answered your questions and provided multiple sources I find reliable in this thread. If you pointed to any of those then yeah I would be with you but honestly since you decide to believe the CIA propaganda nothing you could point to would change my mind, and I’d rather avoid mental regression. I used to think like you, said “China bad” and decried about tankies but once I started educating myself on socialism and AES states my worldview changed and realized we didn’t know shit about shit. What you believe is not substantiated by facts or evidence, its a compilation of lies from people who want to colonize China. Drop the (western) chauvinism and read something at least neutral on the PRC, doesn’t have to be related to this subject. I’m curious though if you have an Al Jazerra or other source waiting in the chamber that disproves what I’m saying I’d like to read it for old times sake - I’ll be waiting for what the next step is!
For bonus here’s some more sources with TONS of reliable information on the Tiananmen protests, including one from my favorite for all things China, the Qiao Collective:
• Tiananmen Protests Reading List
• The Myth of Tiananmen
• How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning
Not really. You provided your argument, but you steadfastly have refused to identify any source that you would accept as valid if I used it as part of my argument. This matches my previous experience with y’all: The lecture is only ever allowed to go in one direction.
Lol
Okay. You seem very sure of what I believe and where I got the ideas. So tell me: What do I think happened in Tienanmen Square?
I mean, you don’t have to answer, but this style of argumentation (where you tell me all about what I believe, instead of listening to me telling you what I believe) is also very very common with y’all. It makes it more or less impossible to make progress with the conversation in any non-circular fashion.
You know what? Fine. Let me take a look at this.
Er
This is your argument for why the PRC isn’t as bad as portrayed in Western media? They responded to an anti-government demonstration by killing at least 300 people? And the most relevant thing is that it didn’t happen inside the square, but elsewhere?
Let’s back up a bit. In addition to telling me what I believe happened in the square, can you tell me what you believe happened? Do you think this CJR article you sent me is generally accurate?
Well that was a dumb question then, just post the source if you have one and we’ll go from there
Based on the sub, the post, my first comment, the content of your reply and your unironic use of tankie I assumed you have anti-PRC bias, but if I’m wrong I’m wrong
I think the end of the CJR article is a little shaky but its still good for the overall report of the events. There was no massacre of thousands of people in the square like it was first reported by the West. It was a legitimate protest that was taken over by foreign influence (CIA) and enflamed to the point where people began murdering unarmed PLA soldiers. I don’t agree with what some soldiers then did and its terrible that innocent people died. It’s something the PRC has expressed regret about and is working to move past it with it’s people. You won’t find that kind of self-reflection and accountability in the West.
Where will we go from there?
Would it develop once we get there, perhaps, that anything negative about the CCP automatically gets discounted as “biased” or not “reliable” and you would retreat into a landscape where you’ll accept any reliable source, anything at all that isn’t corrupted, but where you refuse under any circumstances to identify what those sources could look like, or which of them seem to have established a pretty solid track record of being grounded in reality, because of what unpleasant truths might be revealed from the same sources you had admitted might have something relevant to say?
Like I say, this isn’t my first time having this conversation lol. I knew in advance that you would refuse to admit what might be reliable sources on my side, keeping the power and privilege solely for yourself to determine what is a legitimate source and making your arguments on that unequal playing field and only there. As soon as you admit that something might be factual or trustworthy that doesn’t correspond with your preexisting biases, the whole game falls apart.
Okay, so you don’t know what I believe, or where I got my ideas. Apology accepted. Progress! Try not to come out of the gate with wild haymaker strawmen in the future, it’ll make your conversations a lot more two-sided (although without admitting that someone else might be able to point to real facts you don’t like because they contain “bias,” it’ll still be pretty limited how far it will go).
Oh, wow. Murder. Well, we can’t have that. That is terrible. Of course,
Oh, wow. Innocent people died. Passive voice. What a fucking tragedy. Of course no one wants that kind of thing to happen.
You gotta get a desk at the NYT helping cover Gaza, I think they’d really appreciate your self-reflection and accountability on this topic.
Oh, wow. Where did they issue their public statement of regret and self-reflection about it? I must have missed their clear expression of responsibility for the killings.
Um I never said that, and the conversation is focused on Tiananmen Square. I will say though that most of the what happened during the Cultural Revolution, some decisions by Mao, and their invasion of Vietnam are some things I disagree with.
I already explained that I’ve been through the whole Western narrative and don’t believe in what the West/CIA/imperialists have to say anymore. But still I’m waiting for somebody to send their source instead of saying “lol” or “it’s reality bro.” You’re going too off track you should’ve just sent what you believe and sources to back it up in the beginning instead of trying to “trap” me.
Innocent people were killed and it was a tradegy. Now if capitalists/reactionaries/ fascists/CIA agents were killed I’m not feeling bad for them.
So when you finally send something its just a short MSN article about China owning Rubio? Fuck Rubio lol do you actually believe what he says?