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Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS) introduced a bill this week to legally erase transgender people, entitled the “Defining Male and Female Act of 2024.” He claimed that the bill will stop what he called the Biden administration’s attempt to “replace biological sex with dangerous radical gender ideology.”
The bill is a long list of terms and definitions, where words like “father” and “girl” are defined with the words “male” and “female.” Those two words are then defined as “an individual who naturally has, had, will have, or would have, but for a congenital anomaly or intentional or unintentional disruption, the reproductive system that at some point produces, transports and utilizes [sperm or eggs for male or female, respectively] for fertilization.”
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Someone should establish a Department of Senate Efficiency to look into whether that is an efficient use of the senates time.
Not a catchy enough name for fuckin Neanderthals to chuckle about
Not the dangerous radical gender ideology of trying to be happy
Is there any argument for trans people getting their rights removed?
Bigotry
People dont hate trans people just to hate trans people. They have reason, even if they are bad
Bullshit. It comes from a simple disgust reflex. Everything else is post-hoc justification.
Name one.
And specifically, christian nationalism.
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If that were a valid explanation then why is the bill banning any adult recognition of trans adults?
There’s a different conversation on whether to allow gender affirming therapy for minors.
Sure. Different conversation I agree. I wasn’t commenting to the original post. Just that the idea that transgenderism and the issues surrounding it arent hard discussions with people outside of the community here is irrational.
Ah yes not bigotry just made up bs points that are meant to do nothing but stop trans people from being accepted.
A lot of these points had analogues in the past with other minority rights movements, but why look to the past and see how those points were non-issues when we can instead get mad about the transgenders CoNfUsInG OuR ChIlDrEn.
And
Suicide causes for transgender teens is often reported as bullying or bigotry, but not often reported on the lack of support for dysphoria and other mental health conditions.
This just means we need to let kids be who they are and support them in their transition, that is the only logical conclusion of that issue.
People matter.
Unless they’re t****n freaks, then they can get outed to their abusive parents and sent to conversion camps for all I care :^)
Are you referring to yourself? No one who loves their children wants to send them to conversion camp. There are definitely discussions to have regarding the proper medical treatments and psychological care and how the involvement of the state and legislature hurts more than helps. But I don’t want the state being involved in how we raise our children. I don’t want to change children or parents sending their kids to camp. But you can’t pretend that parents and our communities aren’t involved in the way a child is raised, how they grow mentally and encouraging strengths, and guiding them in a healthy way. Let kids be who they are and make sure they get the support they need.
Making everything sexual for children while not even acknowledging the sickness of it.
Same shit said about gay people.
Being gay isn’t sexual. Being straight isn’t sexual. Being trans isn’t sexual. Someone saying they are a girl is not sexual. Someone saying they are a boy is not sexual.
You see how none of this relates to sex?
The real answer is that a lot of people don’t really understand being trans. A lot of people used to the same way about gay and lesbian people. Conservatives tried to rally hard against gay and lesbian people, but that proved unpopular. Trans people don’t have that same protection. So, they’ll go after it until people finally get it.
Conservatives only have identity politics.
I’m referring to nudity and expressing sexuality in front of children. Drag and children. Parades of expression with children involved. Seeing essentially naked men and women and children being encouraged to interact in it.
Good lord, nudity isn’t even a real issue. I regularly swim laps at my local public pool, and the changing room and showers regularly see a mix of children and adults. I don’t see any kids getting their innocence destroyed in the locker room or showers, and we’re all naked in there.
People only care when it’s trans people wearing clothes. They don’t really care about nudity, they’re trying to create a moral panic about queer people by suggesting that they are a threat to children.
Nudity is also not inherently sexual. You can be naked for reasons outside of having sex, such as cleaning yourself, using the bathroom, changing outfits, sunbathing, relaxing, etc. None of those are inherently sexual.
Wearing drag is not sexual either. It’s been a thing for centuries, and that’s just the easily identifiable stuff.
Wearing kink gear is not inherently sexual, though I can understand that you don’t recognize that because it has connotations. But you can wear it without it being a sexual act.
“Expressing” sexuality is purposefully vague. Is kissing expressing sexuality? Is holding hands? Children do those. That would be an expression of your sexual orientation. You aren’t really making any sense.
I’ll agree someone saying they are are a girl/boy or trans isn’t sexual. Gender isn’t inherently sexual. Someone being gay/straight feels like it’s absolutely sexual. Implied with the"sexual" in homo or heterosexual. You could have nonsexual gay/straight thoughts/feelings I guess, but those are just feelings. Like, ANYONE is allowed to have them regardless of orientation, and honestly sounds like it’s bordering on asexual. Do you have a learning example for that line of thought? Before any angry blowback: I’m not trying to be a dick about this. As far as my understanding of this goes, I don’t follow that comment.
That was what i was asking
One argument i have seen against acknowledging the existence of trans people is that people will be tricked into changing their gender
Its not a good argument, but it exists.
It’s bullshit and you’re either a sucker or a liar for playing along, pretending you don’t know what subtext is.
I wasnt asking for valid arguments against a group of people
Also, i had to search the definition of the word subtext
Setting aside the mind, it is a biological fact that approximately 1 in 1700 people are born with both sexual organs.
They’re supposed to just, die?
Because irony has been bludgeoned to death by these bigots, I’d like to point out they’ve already been performing sex-reassignment surgery on intersex infants to make them conform to a binary sex, without the knowledge or consent of the baby and sometimes the parents. That’s been happening for ages in some places.
So all their tantrums over kids getting sex surgeries are technically true, except they have it completely backwards. It’s done to newborns to force traditional conformity, and they’re the ones doing it.
Another fact, indigenous peoples all over the world had several genders, some dozens.
What seems like a rhetorical question to you does not to a fascist.
According to Republicans, yes
This is surely going to lower the price of eggs.
When women are factory farmed baby makers…oh you meant those eggs.
Might as well define the Earth as flat and the Moon as green cheese while he’s at it.
Do these fuckers have literally nothing else to do than wage wars against reality?
It keeps us divided. It misdirects the anger of their base towards something other than how badly they are being fucked.
Never attribute that to malice which can be adequately explained by stupidity… Unless it comes from the mouth of a Republican politician.
They might try. They’ve already tried to legislate a definition of pi to equal exactly 3.
No, I refuse to believe that’s ever hap-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill
Motherfucker…
Maybe a strategy to distract the masses while they and their
supportershandlers steal the country blind.I think you mis-spelled “Likely”.
I know you misspelled “certainly.”
We need media stepping up the messaging that the Right is infatuated with the genitals of people, especially children. Outside of maybe your Dr. (and/or partner), nobody should be talking about, or caring about your genitals to the degree the Right is in this pervy/pedo crusade of late.
The right owns the media. The revolution will not be televised.
They own the traditional media, but not the hundreds of thousands of YouTube and TikTok influencers with millions of followers each.
The revolution will be vlogged.
I kind of feel like all this spawned from some hot trans-girl turning down one of these shitstains and they’ve never let it go.
To be honest it’s probably all the hot trans-girls turning them down, like there’s a conspiracy or something, but hot trans-girls just don’t like conservative assholes.
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We really need to start saying that these people want their own family members killed. It seems to be the only thing that can get some people to listen
Well, said senator could find himself and his cohorts erased as well
Wait, if they are erased, can they then become invisible superheroes?
@floofloof And this guy is an actual MD, as in medical doctor.
Aren’t doctors supposed to take an oath to do no harm? This will cause so much harm.
Republicanlawmakers only swear an oath to whomever is paying them the most.Edit: Democrats do it too, just not as obviously and not all of them. Until we get rid of corporate lobbying, we’ll be firmly in an oligarchy.
Technically, no. “Do no harm” was the motto of a 19th century French physician and later made its way into medical textbooks, but it is not found in the Hippocratic oath.
It seems those exact words don’t feature in the oath, but the pledge to do no harm is there, worded slightly differently.
Dr Oz is a real doctor as well. Unfortunately medical school doesn’t prevent people from being delusional. Or giant assholes for that matter
Dr. Oz is the 1 doctor out of 10 who chooses the other brand.
Man, I hope all the trans who said they wouldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t talk about them are feeling great about the new government that will be in control during the next few years!
of course I hate the active reduction of freedom. But may I ask, how important is this? Will trans people be able to continue to survive? Existing and being who you believe you are seems to be the important detail which pisses then off. They can’t do anything but be explicitly rude.
Should someone decide to fight you for being trans, I will fight for + with you.
Writing this comment mildly drunk, I’m sure there’s problems with it, but what if it’s like rain off a window, you look at it and ignore it?
They can be denied appropriate medical care.
That’s enough reason to help fight the incoming changes, as far as I’m concerned.
Getting rid of Title IX protections is going to make surviving pretty fucking hard if you wind up with a bigoted manager who decides to fire you… Or just companies decide they don’t want to hire trans people at all.
😮💨 it kinda seems like these companies already disengage once they meet via video or in person. Generic reasons are presented, “poor for for the team” etc.
If an HR person is dumb, you’ve possibly got em dead to rights with IX and some kind of evidence. I just think it’s so crazy to disregard someone’s potential just because they want to exist as their internal self.
Over time, that particular org won’t be as successful as the one hiring candidates for effectiveness over appearance, but damn does it suck for the individual bring denied at that time.
This is a precursor to them trying to sue trans people for “fraud” by having documents with the correct gender marker. Also, the cruelty is the point, and this is in itself cruel.
Cripes. The fuckin struggle just to survive never ends. I don’t get what people’s problem is, and at this point an convinced I never will. Fuck em.
They can also force transgender people in institutional settings (prison, college, military, etc) to be housed with the wrong gender. That can be dangerous.
Yeah for sure. I understand. I wish people could just be.
