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    Death to EU, death to USA. All support to to the bolivarian movement against imperialism.

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    This post title is completely misleading. Kallas explicitly says that international law and the UN Charter must be respected - nothing about endorsing any invasion. She is saying the opposite.

    From the UN Charter (Article 2(4)):

    All Members shall refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.

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      According to Kaja Kallas twit, “Mr. Maduro lacks legitimacy and [the EU] has defended a peaceful transition”. In my book, this means support to the USA invasion/special operation.

      Edit: typo

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        The EU has repeatedly stated that Maduro lacks legitimacy and has defended a peaceful transition. A “peaceful transition” is not a military operation. In EU language it means elections, negotiations, and constitutional processes. Illegitimacy does not equal a green light for foreign force.

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          1. Be a legitimate democracy because it is controlled by CIA
          2. Declare illegitimacy without evidence, because communist countries must be sanctioned and persecuted.
          3. Kill or kidnap said leaders.
          4. Promote peaceful, rules based order, transition to CIA approved leader.
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          I would love to read the answer of Kaja Kallas to that question.

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    the eu is illegitimate. i didn’t vote for them, effectively no one did. they decide without consultation. is it ok to kidnap their politicians now?

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      I’m not crazy about EU and there are certainly parts of it that are dodgy, but we do actually vote our EU representatives, the fact that you personally didn’t doesn’t mean it’s illegitimate.

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      Does that mean Britain was right to vote for Brexit? I thought that was universally seen as a dumb move on par with voting for Trump.

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          This, if the eu member states were advocating for the global well being of all peoples it would be pretty smart to all vote leave at the expense of their own material conditions. This would allow the peoples of the member states to actually vote for anti-imperialist policies (they probably wouldnt, but assuming we were actually collectively advocating for global well being) and to see that the capitalist class wouldnt enact such policies without a struggle.

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    Canada did the same. Every government that disagrees with NATO establishment is an illegitimate autocratic dictator according to NATO… by coincidence. There is never any evidence of fraud. Only massive CIA/NGO funding of destabilization that people must be forced to accept, or vote is illegtimate.

    Ben Norton’s rant on Venezuela and recent Latin America situations today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnD0p5F7MNs&pp=ygUbZ2VvcG9saXRpY2FsIGVjb25vbXkgcmVwb3J0

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    And then people don’t understand why the rest of the world don’t care about Russias war on Ukraine.

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    Viva Maduro. The US Empire is kidnapping a democratically elected president and his family in order to gain ownership of Venezuelan oil fields. The vassals in Europe only care that their master needs consent manufacturing, but the good working people around the world can see right through this naked terrorism and those that support it.

    May the empire and its vassals fall.

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      So Russia, Venezuela’s ally, will surely help him, right? Right?!

      WRONG. Russia is more full of bullshit than the USA or the EU. They’ll just issue some “harsh words” for this, “condemn” the attack and that will be the end of it.

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        Russia’s capacity to help is very limited, unlike the US Empire they don’t have hundreds of overseas millitary bases. The Monroe Doctrine means that unless Russia wanted to give Venezuela nukes, like they did for Cuba back when Russia was socialist, Latin Americans are mostly relying on their own power.

        Not sure why you’re bringing up Russia, though, I never expected they would help and didn’t mention them because of that. Maybe some arms shipments, but that’s about it.

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    I expect a ton of down votes for this, but here we go.

    The EU needs to gain power through independence before providing a different response. The complicated task will be to protect and solidify personal liberty in the process.

    The strongest players want the EU to disperse because they know, that this is the best way to keep criticism at bay. The problem is that the EU is in it’s design deeply undemocratic and non European but nationalistic…

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      The EU has been saying that for like decades though and they never do. At this point their “powerlesness” is just a shield they use to waive away responsibility.

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      The EU needs to gain power through independence before providing a different response. The complicated task will be to protect and solidify personal liberty in the process.

      Yeah, what should we do? Sanctions on the US? We are more dependent on US then they are on Europe so that will backfire massively. The best is probably to work on independence from US, for example we are very dependent on the payment processors which are American.

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    Can we not have disinformation posts like these? Kallas’ response could have been stronger, correct, but she certainly implied that it was an illegitimate invasion.

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        “Under all circumstances, the principles of international law and the UN Charter must be respected. We call for restraint.”

        Which is diplomat-speak for “can you please knock it off?”

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          There’s a clear difference in how she speaks about Maduro’s legitimacy and the invasion’s legitimacy. Why the double standard?

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            You can’t include why you are a worthless piece of shit with demonic baseless views that justify the outcome in the same sentence that you express vague mild concern about the means to that outcome. Doing so, makes the vague concern less credible.

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            Because both the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the USA does not allow for speaking more clearly than this. This is about as good as it gets. Not a pretty sight on form, on substance she basically is treating them pretty similar. Am more livid on Von der Leyen preventing to call out Israel on its ongoing genocide than on this one.

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              Then how is this post disinformation? Because of what you said, the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the US, Kalla refused to condemn the invasion or call it illegitimate. The title is completely accurate. What disinformation?

              The fact that there’s context behind this fact doesn’t make it wrong.

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                It is wrong in the sense that merely bringing up the need to adhere to international law and non-violence is, in that context, the same thing as saying this is illegitimate.

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                  It’s literally not the same, she chose her words carefully to specifically not call it illegitimate (because of the EU’s internal dynamics and its current dependency on the US) and calling it “disinformation” to point this out is some serious double-think.

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          No it isn’t. “Restraint” means, “you can keep doing that, but chill the fuck out a little bit”