Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don’t use it, you can’t expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic.
Also, don’t accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it’s just childish and not better than attacking them
It’s not a “strawman.” I understand that most people on here don’t want the weapons going to Israel, which is why I made the point. But the reality is that, once a weapon is built, it’s in the hands of politicians to give to whoever they like. If those politicians are pro-Israel, then even if you want the weapons for the purpose of defense, there’s a significant likelihood they’ll be used to perform genocide.
It absolutely is a strawman, no one mentioned Israel in the discussion before you, it is also not a reason to stop increasing defense spending right now that we need to defend against Russia.
First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.
Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.
Also, don’t accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it’s just childish and not better than attacking them
I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.
Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military
You’re right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn’t all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you’re a genius!
military strength without having very big military see Switzerland
Switzerland has mandatory military service. If you include reserves, it has a bigger military than Germany, Poland, or the UK. Not per capita, just straight up more people. If you only include active personnel it’s still comparable per capita to most European countries
Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it’s pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.
At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.
I don’t see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.
I’ll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.
Supporting leftist antimilitarism isn’t supporting Russia. This is literally what the SPD said in 1914 to support the war budgets for WW1, and this ended in Nazism
I never said that I believe social democracy is a strong political system, I said that I believe it is the best ideology, meaning that I believe we should keep working to persue it, societies will move to far right, and too far left, regardless, it is a goal we should keep working towards.
I see it as kinda like a compass, regardless of how you turn it, the arrow always point to the magnetic north.
Regardless of what happens to society, we should always have an idea of our goal.
OK so you are a evronationalist militarist, nice to know there are so many right-wingers on Lemmy now… ( ,⩌‘︿’⩌,)
Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don’t use it, you can’t expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic. Also, don’t accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it’s just childish and not better than attacking them
How many of those weapons are going to end up in Israel’s hands?
Weird strawman…
It’s not a “strawman.” I understand that most people on here don’t want the weapons going to Israel, which is why I made the point. But the reality is that, once a weapon is built, it’s in the hands of politicians to give to whoever they like. If those politicians are pro-Israel, then even if you want the weapons for the purpose of defense, there’s a significant likelihood they’ll be used to perform genocide.
It absolutely is a strawman, no one mentioned Israel in the discussion before you, it is also not a reason to stop increasing defense spending right now that we need to defend against Russia.
The fact that nobody mentioned Israel is the point. I stg. It isn’t a “strawman” to point out possible unintended consequences of supporting a policy.
“I think I should jump off a tall building.”
“Are you crazy? You’ll die!”
“Wow, what a strawman. Nobody even said anything about dying. I don’t support falling to my death, only the jumping.”
Congratulations, that is one of the stupidest arguments I have read.
Go learn what the word “strawman” means before you call anybody’s arguments stupid lmao.
First of all, no. The whole idea of globalization is that if you have economic entanglement the wars will not be profitable.
Also there are other ways of keeping military strength without having very big military see Switzerland and all guerrilla groups successfully repelling much bigger opponents like the US.
I mostly agree, but the meme created does represent this ideology and you can attack problematic ideologies.
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You’re right! Europe can just defend itself with thougts and prayers. Why didn’t all the bureaucrats from Brussels think about this? Omg, you’re a genius!
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Good for them!
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so what?
Switzerland has mandatory military service. If you include reserves, it has a bigger military than Germany, Poland, or the UK. Not per capita, just straight up more people. If you only include active personnel it’s still comparable per capita to most European countries
Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it’s pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.
At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.
I don’t see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.
I’ll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.
Friend, you need to understand: USA could turn off your F-35.
Simply, you aren’t prepared for USA turning around.
No they can’t.
Sweden doesn’t have F-35’s.
Neither does France.
Europe as a whole also have plenty of Eurofighters.
The US hasn’t really fought any nation with comparable tech and infrastructure since WWII.
I don’t think they’ll have an easy time doing that.
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I am living in Sweden, I have done so for the last 38 year after being born.
I have witnessed the all of that.
I stand by what I said, including the part of regulated free markets which you didn’t bring up.
I absolutely disagree with how Socialdemokraterna moved away from the ideology of Social democracy.
However, this does not change my views of the ideology, only the politicians who has failed it.
Social democracy requires strong leaders who can withstand trends pulling in either direction.
“I’ve seen with my own eyes social democracy failing simultaneously everywhere in Europe and ruined millions of lives. However, I still support it”.
No, I have not seen social democracy failing, I have seen politicians failing to uphold social democracy.
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Soooo you throw your hat in with russia as a way to resolve this?
Supporting leftist antimilitarism isn’t supporting Russia. This is literally what the SPD said in 1914 to support the war budgets for WW1, and this ended in Nazism
That’s the problem: they only need to buy your politicians with many Swedish kronas.
Do you believe a so fragile system is right?
I never said that I believe social democracy is a strong political system, I said that I believe it is the best ideology, meaning that I believe we should keep working to persue it, societies will move to far right, and too far left, regardless, it is a goal we should keep working towards.
I see it as kinda like a compass, regardless of how you turn it, the arrow always point to the magnetic north.
Regardless of what happens to society, we should always have an idea of our goal.
bullies use arms, you need to defend yourselves
Ironic comment because almost all anti-EU people in Europe are far-right.
Really? How interesting…