Being an activist ≠ ok to be killed.
Or am I just being confused by poor wording in title?
She wasn’t what they said she was. She was just a mom dropping her kid off at school. Still confused?
In case anyone didn’t see, there were tons of reactionaries online saying that she was an activist and “fuck around and find out” etc. Just the most disgusting craven nonsense imaginable.
The original narrative was that she was a protestor / legal observer. i.e. that she was actively engaged with the ICE activity in some capacity and that she had placed herself in harms way in the course of doing so.
This new information reveals that she was just a normal person going about her normal business before being randomly murdered by ICE.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone, but the information that she was just a person in the wrong place takes even more out of the narrative that she somehow initiated the encounter at all.
Neither version says its OK to just murder someone,
That’s the issue though and why this is important. The right is using this specific talking point to attempt to justify her murder. This shuts down that narrative immediately and forces people to wrestle with their own lack of humanity.
I hate my country.
Do something about it.
Trump is doing poorly in polling, he’s an obvious pedophile and the economy is shit.
We could take advantage of that and win in 2026, giving Congress the ability to check the Trump administration.
Or we could run out into the street and initiate uncontrolled, disorganized violence that will kill way more innocent civilians than anyone, giving Trump the excuse he wants to militarily shut down society.
Lots of are organizing and pushing back. Let’s not assume every American is accepting fascism lying down.
And even if you’re not protesting and organizing neighborhood ICE watches, sharing these stories is also important. Especially since right wing media censorship is increasing in the US. People need to know what’s happening in order to be mad about it.
Until the fascists are gone, it’s not enough. Sorry, not sorry.
What are you doing?
I don’t live in the States.
Then shut the fuck up and let us deal with it.
Maybe that would be okay if your country wasn’t threatening mine. Also if you were, you know, actually dealing with it.
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Sounds like a good way to lose a lot of babies searching for that perfect bath water.
The perfect bath water in this metaphor being “not having a fascist, warmongering, narcissist pedophile head of state”.
Absolutely meaningless statement lol. Just because there is a saying (aka meme) that sounds deep ands profound doesn’t make it true.
Okay I guess I’ll just give up because nothing will ever be good enough.
Oh wait already have.
You are right, look at history, freedom was always paid for by blood.
Indian independence, South African end of apartheid, Philippines end or Marcos, US civil rights movement, and I could go on. We have plenty of examples where protests, strikes, and civil disobedience were the main catalyst for change, not a violent resistance movement.
Indian independence?
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/india-1900-1947.html
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-great-divide-books-dalrymple
Mother fuckers out here trying to cherry pick and revision history to align with their narrative. While their leader is openly saying that only violent power matters in the world.
How much is Trump admin paying you?
If I thought there was something I could do I would do it.
Organize a protest in your community. Write letters (plural, don’t stop) to your representative. Talk to your friends, family, and coworkers about what needs to change. Participate in other organized protests. Endorse and help organize a general strike.
Exercise a few other constitutional rights.
I hate about thirty million people in this country.
Why such a small number?
Quick reminder to anyone reading, since the other reply here implied implications about what is to be done: whatever your opinions on violence may be you should never, under any circumstances, suggest that yourself or others should or will commit violent or illegal acts in your own country or countries that your country has extradition treaties with.
The revolution will not happen on Lemmy or any other public forum. You can only hurt yourself and your fellow travelers by posting violent threats or incitement to other illegal activity. Do not post credible threats. The cops can and will show up at your house.
Well said. Credible actionable violent rhetoric should not be tolerated. But all the TokTik doublespeak to bypass censorship or dance around an aggressive subject is, quite frankly, intolerable to read anywhere.
Say exactly what the fuck you mean. Stop doing mob-boss speak like Trump does with his lackeys.
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🎵 America! FUCK NO!
America’s here to ruin the motherfuckin’ day! 🎵
I wonder what Team America 2 would be like.
🎶"PETE HEGSETH IS A FUCKIN’ DOUCHE"🎶
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Remember, this didn’t just happen. It was brought about by tech billionaires backing Trump, each paying him 1 million dollars just to stand behind him on inauguration day, by the Heritage foundation, by wealthy people like JD Vance, and the rest of the administration. This was enabled by a class of people without morals and compassion, who do not care for your country.
Not just tech billionaires, media owners too. This whole slide started with Nixon.
We need more green plumbers
Regardless of what excuse the ICE fascist make, there is ZERO reason he should have pulled out his gun and shot her.
He didn’t want to get run over? Well how is killing the driver going to stop the car from moving?
He didn’t want to get run over?
Maybe he shouldn’t have gotten out of his unmarked vehicle wearing a mask and brandishing a weapon and approaching someone’s car and reaching into it to open the door when a woman who was pulling into the street stopped and waved at them to pass.
All good points. You shouldn’t be allowed to detain anybody if you are not properly identified as law enforcement.
Other wise it’s kidnapping and they should be allowed to protect themselves any way possible. I doubt this country will buy that argument though.
Yea shits all fucked up with this. I mean when he merced her, as you would expect with somebody already accelerating, she went limp and hammered down into a parked car. If she was trying to hit him when he fired and he was in her line of travel, he would have been split in half as she smacked into whatever’s in front of her. If he feared for his life he would have rolled out of the way and engaged in pursuit after. This is an untrained, trigger happy goon that did not join ice to deport people for any of the right reasons. This is somebody that joined from the get to get “me liberul blood” on their hands with the full backing and faith of the us govt. Not only is it legal for them to take the life of their political opponents, but they make something to the tune of 100k to do it. Calling them political assassins is just being accurate, I mean this pig just did his country a favor by offing a “domestic terrorist” in their eyes.
They’re all untrained goons. Top to bottom. That’s the problem here.
The last point is really not an argument - even if he ended up getting killed too. You could, for example, say he wanted to save others and make him an hero.
Maybe. All the comments I see defending him call it self defense. I don’t think anybody was considering she would continue aiming for other ice agents.
If she would have actually tried to run over them she’d probably be alive.
Her ex-husband said “she was a loving mother and poet who had just dropped her young son off at school”
Her mother called her “one of the kindest people I’ve ever known.” Vice President JD Vance said she was part of “a broader left-wing network to attack and to doxx and to assault and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their jobs.”It’s not out of character for kind loving mothers to be antifascist.
It’s also Vance talking out his ass. This administration completely 1984’s everything at this point and Big Brother tells you what they want your reality to be.
I wish she was part of a broader left-wing network, because if she had been, maybe there would have been others around to protect her and she would still be alive
We all need to start building resistance communities, encouraging solidarity across the working class, and getting organized in our communities.
Build networks of group chats and groups on social media to rapidly share information and educate people.
How does her ex-husband know what she was doing that day?
If ya’ll are hoping “this is it” and that we’re going to see any kind of justice, I’m sorry to tell you that this will also blow over after you read and hear some of the most vile, lying bullshit you can imagine.
I mean, unless everyone actually does something, but half of this country is still to scared to piss off the other half.
I’m really tired of this attitude.
It doesn’t even necessarily matter what she was or wasn’t. It’s kind of irrelevant.
She tried to wave a car by, like we’ve all done a million times, then two MASKED MEN got out of their UNMARKED TRUCK holding GUNS and one tried to REACH INTO HER VEHICLE TO OPEN THE DOOR.
The fuck would you do?
They weren’t there for her. They had no reason to interact with her.
She could have had a rap sheet a mile long, doesn’t matter.
Just like poor George Floyd
Also a third masked man, from the same truck, TOLD HER to move her car out of the way
Yeah this point keeps getting glossed over.
Who cares if she was an activist. Nothing what happened that day merits an execution.
According to the “expert” they had on Good Morning America, the ICE agent was “struck” by Good’s vehicle, but it’s actually only the second and third gunshots to this innocent woman’s head that were not justified.
I hope you all have a high tolerance for rage-inducing injustice, because this is going to be one of those “Don’t Look Up” moments where half the world is told to just LOOK AT THE FUCKING VIDEO and people will ignore you and form movements to NOT look at the video.
I have no perscription or advice how to deal with this. But I do know it’s going to get a LOT worse before it starts to get better and we may not all see that day.
Hopefully the only way it gets worse will be a bunch of people getting together to do things like this. Oh darn, apparently mods deleted it. But it was a logical comment that proposed a logical solution.
Fun Fact, if you hit the drop-down by the breadcrumbs under a username you can read a user’s moderation history and see what they said that got removed 🤓
While morally I cannot agree with the take, I would LOVE to see people even halfway motivated to take their marches directly to the seats of power. There are only a couple dozen thousand ICE agents in the whole country, we outnumber them by MILLIONS and could literally drag them off the streets, pull off their gear and tie them up and like, stash them in our basements with a bike lock around the neck Breaking Bad style and stop the injustice tomorrow if we all unified. (We feed them sandwiches on plastic plates though, lesson learned.)
Mmm sandwiches you say? You’re almost makin’ me want to join ice 😋
I will only feed my agent cheap ass bologna with too much mustard and a single, small wilted lettuce leaf.
Ok nevermind. I don’t wanna be an ICEman anymore.
Yeah the right to be an activist is one of our most foundational rights as Americans.
incorrect
the murderer who puts himself in harm’s way, got out of that way, and then pulled a gun and shot a woman in the face, that deserves execution
The administration is characterizing her as an activist and an agitator, in order to try to retroactively justify her killing.
This story is putting the lie to that statement.
Our problem is the mainstream media that most of America gets their news and information from are all bought by the same donor-class that owns the government, and they are RIGHT NOW having “experts” on the daytime talk shows and news programs telling viewers that Good struck an agent with her car and that “maybe” “some” of the gunshots to her head were unnecessary but that more investigation is needed.
Do not trust that people will use their eyes. People don’t see with their eyes. All of our perceptions of the world are filtered through our feelings, and for most people, it feels too inconvenient to believe this horrendous act was what it actually was, because that would mean having to do something, having to sacrifice time and energy to get involved, to seek justice.
Nobody wants to do that anymore. People want to hide inside and scroll.
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Fully agree. Even if she wpuld have been an activist fleeing from the place.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
In any other countries, there are warning shots fired first, then they shoot at the wheels, then they try to detain the car by using own cars. There is no way the right thing to do is to murder someone in the head as a first response.
Your instinct should not be to murder the person.
It wasn’t instinct, it was orders. They are pissed that vehicle blocking is working, and giving targets a longer head start to run. They wanted to send a message, so they were ordered to engineer a situation, then escalate it, and here we are.
As usual, these Dumb Apes fuck up everything they do, and they botched the operation, and sent an entirely different message, which was not received well by America.
So who sent these illegal orders? How far up the chain? I think we all know.
btw, i’m not even sure she was trying to block anyone. in one video, you can see she waves and says “go around!” i think she was just trying to go the other way.
edit - i don’t know that that is what happened, just that there’s now footage from the agent’s phone. can’t really use audio at work.
still saw NOTHING justifying murder.
Who would have thought that giving a bunch of barely literate bigots guns, and telling them they can do anything they want without consequences, would lead to one of those power tripping bigots murdering somebody for absolutely no fucking reason?
This was totally unforeseeable.
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That would be actually a very effective demonstration. Like what would they do? Shooting around and kill civis and ICE solders?
She is dead because she probably didn’t show them the respect their tiny penises deserved.
No. She’s dead because she showed them more respect than they deserved.
They’re only alive because people show them more respect than they deserve.
Saying someone has a tiny penis is not as great as an insult as you might think it is.
Didn’t mean to trigger you.
At this point it’s a metaphor. …people will bitch about every insult no matter what it is
If she had just driven right through them she would probably be alive today. Her mistake was stopping and doing what they told her to do.
Yeah the nazi’s on my local nextdoor keep calling her a “paid anti-ice demostrator” or that she is a paid antifa actress or some BS.
They refuse to use their eyes and ears and just stay in their fantasy land of unseasoned meals and fox news.
They are evil and stupid, there’s not much else to say, they welcome violence because they can’t do anything else that makes any difference with their miserable lives
Now Americans need to rebel, so Trump can declare martial law.
It’s all going according to his evil plan.
I wouldn’t bet on the midterm elections actually taking place.
I hope good Americans find a way out of this, but the path is getting muddy.One third of Americans voted for this. Another one third didn’t vote at all. What makes you think Americans are going to rebel?
I don’t think they will, I have also written many posts that reflect that, I use the same numbers to say two thirds either voted for Trump, or were OK with him winning.
If they weren’t OK with it they would have voted.
So I think a very large portion of the population is actually OK with all the shit that is going on, or they don’t care.
I also think the risk of American democracy ending with Trump is very high.
How high IDK, maybe 20-30% or maybe higher. Certainly not below 20% And that’s an insanely high number for a country that has had democracy since 1789, although it was a very limited democracy, and it is still a deeply flawed democracy.
But still many Americans have trusted the checks and balances, but Trump has shown several times that they don’t work.
And the American population hasn’t shown nearly enough will to do anything to prevent it. And now we are at a point that even if they do, they may be playing directly into Trumps hands.
It will probably go on as all totalitarian regimes go: either a lot of blood and then hopefully freedom again, or Russia Reloaded. The pigs in charge for sure won’t leave anything willingly, you have to hang them by the feet (in a Mussolinian way I mean) if you want to break out of it… Any day spent whining and protesting peacefully is one day closer to the end of democracy and one day less they have to really fight. The moment democracy is being shit on is not on the next Election Day, it’s right now.
This is not just “good americans” this seems to be a coordinated effort to destablise every western country. It will soon be the UK, it will soon be Europe.
I have seen right wing people in the UK saying, “The United States of Greeland” as if somehow, handing it over to the US is in our best interest. The world could genuinely be fucked.
All according to covfefe.
What makes you think Trump needs a real reason to declare martial law? That is going to happen no matter what. The only decision you have left is what you do when its your turn to get shot by ICE: Are you going to comply and take three in the face, or are you going to hit the gas and hope for the best?
What makes you think Trump needs a real reason to declare martial law?
He doesn’t. Just something that gives a shred of plausibility.
Sounds more like a baseless argument to get people not to resist being attacked by ICE.
Considering the feds have taking the case, and is keeping the evidence away from local authorities, I think not.
You might have lost the thread of this discussion.
Which they will just manufacture.
States hold their own elections. He can’t cancel them.
If he tries, the civic contract is dead. No more taxes. No more peaceful protests.
Under Martial law Trump can prevent that, and even use the military to prevent it!
He tried five years and two days ago. Virtually nothing was done, and he pardoned the ones who were convicted at all.
No more taxes.
I’ve been thinking about this as the orange idiot keeps punishing states he doesn’t like.
We need to rework taxes so that states take federal income tax and hold it in escrow or something so that this kind of shit can’t happen anymore.
And if red states get pissy and start withholding their contributions over gay marriage or something, well, they’re mostly dead weight anyway.
No we need leaders that promise us pardons to withhold.
Fuck giving the corrupt states jack shit.
And if red states get pissy and start withholding their contributions over gay marriage or something, well, they’re mostly dead weight anyway.
Then good actually, because they’ll starve the beast as well. At this point, a well-funded federal government is a curse.
Even if the midterms happen, they’re going to be more rigged than Tinkerbell in a theatrical production
That could absolutely be the smarter way to do it. But I think it would have to be rigged HARD, and that could be a problem, because that could make it to obvious.
Where a declaration of Martial Law could seem more plausible to the average American. Just create a lie big enough as they say.I like that analogy and will be stealing it.
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