• Pajonk@szmer.info
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    9 days ago

    Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.

    China serves its people, for better or worse.

    Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.

    Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.

    In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.

    Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies.

    Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.

    The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.

    So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.