Do i believe that we must all stop procreating? no. Do i believe that there are cases in which it is actively irresponsible and negligent to bring a child into the world? Absolutely, yes.
Okay then you’re not really anti-natalist, you’re just mad at people who are irresponsible, which is relatable.
I very clearly stated “as someone who understands, if not necessarily openly espouses, anti-natalist ideology”. I am suggesting that I, personally, think that my original 7th premise is becoming closer and closer to logical truth. I believe, as something close to an anti-natalist, that everyone needs to do their own cost-benefit analysis to determine whether they can accept the culpability of deciding to bring an unconsenting entity into the horrific world in which we currently live. So, just because I don’t believe in forcibly converting everyone to the cause, doesn’t mean I don’t believe in it, just like not every Christian is an evangelical. Anyone who believes that there is a moral imperative to forcibly stop others from having children is clearly fundamentally misunderstanding the reasons why anti-natalist principles are so attractive (much like how evangelicals display a fundamental misunderstanding of Christian theology)
I think you’re putting a lot of work going to bat for, and feeling contentious for people who are, and I say this a little respect, largely crazy.
The vast majority of people who feel the way you do, do not identify as anti-anything and just live their lives and either change their minds later or they don’t.
Anti-natalists are, as a self-identifying group, really bad lol. I’m sorry but they’re deeply stuck up their own ass, personally and as a human value system. Just do whatever for whatever reasons and don’t wear a uniform, once you do you end up doing really weird things.
Yeah, that sounds like someone seriously in need of mental healthcare. I guess I just haven’t seen all of these crazies you claim make up the entirety of the group. I honestly do believe that anyone who is still pro-natalist is either not thinking very clearly, or is likely to be part of the groups making it immoral to have a child, because it seems like a very simple logical conclusion. I just believe that such arguments are clearly superior to anything pro-natalists have offered, and so all that is necessary is to talk to people. Just put off having kids for a few years until you know whether irresponsibly risking creating a life of misery is right for you!
After swimming around all of this for way too long, I’m also entirely convinced that anyone who connects with or espouses pro-natalism is just hung up on some sexual kink. Almost strictly. And I know it’s hyperbolic but I’ve gone way harder and deeper trying to dismantle those weirdos than I have here, and it’s so deeply connected to the trad-wife cosplay kink thing and conservative-masked race-play fantasy that the entire online pro-natalist sphere is just a hookup app at this point.
Wholeheartedly agree, though I think that such a person could also simultaneously be trying to repress the rights of women, not just have a sex kink. It can be both things.
Okay then you’re not really anti-natalist, you’re just mad at people who are irresponsible, which is relatable.
I very clearly stated “as someone who understands, if not necessarily openly espouses, anti-natalist ideology”. I am suggesting that I, personally, think that my original 7th premise is becoming closer and closer to logical truth. I believe, as something close to an anti-natalist, that everyone needs to do their own cost-benefit analysis to determine whether they can accept the culpability of deciding to bring an unconsenting entity into the horrific world in which we currently live. So, just because I don’t believe in forcibly converting everyone to the cause, doesn’t mean I don’t believe in it, just like not every Christian is an evangelical. Anyone who believes that there is a moral imperative to forcibly stop others from having children is clearly fundamentally misunderstanding the reasons why anti-natalist principles are so attractive (much like how evangelicals display a fundamental misunderstanding of Christian theology)
I think you’re putting a lot of work going to bat for, and feeling contentious for people who are, and I say this a little respect, largely crazy.
The vast majority of people who feel the way you do, do not identify as anti-anything and just live their lives and either change their minds later or they don’t.
Anti-natalists are, as a self-identifying group, really bad lol. I’m sorry but they’re deeply stuck up their own ass, personally and as a human value system. Just do whatever for whatever reasons and don’t wear a uniform, once you do you end up doing really weird things.
Yeah, that sounds like someone seriously in need of mental healthcare. I guess I just haven’t seen all of these crazies you claim make up the entirety of the group. I honestly do believe that anyone who is still pro-natalist is either not thinking very clearly, or is likely to be part of the groups making it immoral to have a child, because it seems like a very simple logical conclusion. I just believe that such arguments are clearly superior to anything pro-natalists have offered, and so all that is necessary is to talk to people. Just put off having kids for a few years until you know whether irresponsibly risking creating a life of misery is right for you!
After swimming around all of this for way too long, I’m also entirely convinced that anyone who connects with or espouses pro-natalism is just hung up on some sexual kink. Almost strictly. And I know it’s hyperbolic but I’ve gone way harder and deeper trying to dismantle those weirdos than I have here, and it’s so deeply connected to the trad-wife cosplay kink thing and conservative-masked race-play fantasy that the entire online pro-natalist sphere is just a hookup app at this point.
Wholeheartedly agree, though I think that such a person could also simultaneously be trying to repress the rights of women, not just have a sex kink. It can be both things.