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[…] I asked the man behind the counter if the Steak Nuggets were such a hasty retreat because they were unpopular with his diners. He said the following: “Well, we were one of the last stores to have those things, because nobody bought ’em.”
Beans are a better protein source because you get fiber too and fiber is really the thing people lack in their diet. Also, no living creature is harmed in the process.
Except the beans but they’re bastards anyway.
Not even sure why but this cracked me up. Appreciate the laugh man.
Just neglect to adequately soak the beans; you will understand.
I wish our capitalist agricultural crop industry didn’t harm animals.
You will not be able to live your life without harming something.
So it makes it okay, especially makes it okay to not reduce as much harm as possible? Because, we’re not doing enough to reduce the suffering in the world, especially when profit completely disregards it as an obstacle.
No?
Define harm. If a pig is born and raised by a meatpacking operation, there’s a pig that would never have been born without the meatpacking operation - if it is raised and slaughtered humanely (which they aren’t, these days), is it harmed? If people are starving due to shutdown of all inhumane meatpacking operations, have we reduced overall harm?
I don’t understand your point too well, especially in relation to my point that vegetable farming also harms animals. But yeah, humans cause a tremendous amount of harm, which I’m defining as general suffering in this particular case. People won’t starve because there’s less meat being produced, but it seems like you’re arguing that reducing meat consumption will cause more overall suffering?
Nothing happens in isolation… Producing a little less meat shouldn’t cause additional harm, but shutting down a lot of meat production all at once would cause a lot of harm - starting with people who make their living both directly and indirectly from the industry, and if you shut down enough of it all at once you’d be disrupting enough of the supply chain that even people who just consume the food are going to run into problems.
We should strive to do better, but avoid arguments like “STOP ALL X NOW!” - it’s overreaching, and would be counterproductive if you actually achieved it.
Everything annihilated by aerial spraying, and the creatures (including farm workers) dying of cancer from non-lethal doses, would beg to differ.
Are you aware livestock eats farmed crops too? Taking out the middle man (or cow) makes the whole thing more efficient at least.
No, I thought they ate butterflies and sunshine.
Conversion of rain forest to grazing land has been a sickening thing to watch for the past 40 years - it’s got an up-front massive incentive through sale of the old growth hardwoods, then they turn around and make residual continuing income off of the grazing instead of letting the forest regrow.
But, then again, that’s pretty much what happened to most of the continental US’s forests in the 1800s. We’re starting to replant commercial tree farms, but those are monoculture biodiversity deserts.
Yeah, there’s nothing we can do that literally harms no living creature. Any vegan who has given their choices a second of thought will acknowledge that it’s about harm minimization, not causing zero harm.
But that’s not perfect so some brain case on Lemmy will complain about it
I wish everybody would get more “precise with their language” instead of running around spouting “zero harm” “absolutely no suffering” and such things, because people who say that often enough start to really believe it - instead of having a second of thought.
And I wish for world peace but similarly that isn’t ever happening.
True. But when someone is behind a keyboard, they can double down on their stupidity.
Pff, be down wind after dinner and tell me no living creature was harmed 😁
But seriously, beans are great!
Y’all talking about beans?
Beans‽
The magical fruit?
The more you eat…
The more you eviscerate the patriarchy?
Oh fuck yeah! I can literally get behind this!
TIL plants aren’t alive.
They’re not harmed
So you say! You could be a shill for Big Bean!
You’re thinking of Boggis, Bean is the mean one
Neither are chickens when I eat their unfertilised eggs, but vegans still complain.
That’s because the chickens in factory farms are kept in squalid conditions that have them attempting suicide by autophagia if they aren’t debeaked!
Says “freeroaming outside” on the package at least.
That’s a lot better, but I have a secondary concern I didn’t want to clog the above comment with. It’s that chickens as they exist today shouldn’t really exist. They’ve been bred to the point that the daily periods destroy their bodies. It’s not healthy. It’s like the problem with pugs, we should have left them alone, and now that they’re like this, it’s our responsibility to breed them back to health. Continuing to breed more with these health problems is an act of abuse in itself.
OK, so you’re saying we should let them die out? Go extinct?
That’s one solution I would prefer to the current situation. The other is breeding them for health and happiness. We fucked them up and we have a responsibility to use that same power to fix them.
It’s some better, not a lot if you research most of the sources for those packages that say “freeroaming.” The only way the minimum standard for “freeroaming” labeling looks good (and, face it, no profitable operation does more than the minimum required) is by comparison with the factory hell-houses.
They’re still killed when no longer of egg producing age and the males are ground up at sexing.
I mean, if they’re your chickens then sure, but if you’re buying eggs from the grocery store then those chickens are in hell.
And here’s the hard to reconcile thing: if everybody did their absolute best effort, investing 5 hours a week in the family or local cooperative chicken farm to get their eggs, and nobody bought mass produced eggs anymore, salmonella and other disease deaths would skyrocket. Not that everybody who raises chickens for the eggs gets salmonella, just that modern rates are so low - a return to individual farming would see them rise 10x, maybe 100x - even with conscientious chicken ranchers.
Now, get real about how much effort most people would actually put in on personal chicken-egg operations if they had no mass produced options and you’re looking at 1000x increases…
Fun fact, my wife and I got salmonella from eating airbnb homestead eggs!
how are you defining harm?
lol
Oh snap he got us, boys! Give this guy a podcast and a position in the Trump administration!
I dunno if we can call them creatures. Considering a creature is almost universally considered an animal, it is at least considered motile.
Yeah but manly men need manly men food!
Beans are great, but you need to eat 7 cups of beans, ~1.75 Litres of beans to get 100g of protein.
Even if you’re vegetarian there are better sources of protein then that.
I could probably handle a handle of beans in a day, but I’m not sure if it’ll go as well if I keep forgetting to pour out the vodka before beaning the handle
Just be safe, okay?
Noone is saying get all your protein from beans. Maybe 25 grams from beans is doable, then have some yogurt, some whole wheat pasta/bread stuff, a few eggs. Variety in your diet and whole foods are more important than hitting specific macros as you get a good range of micronutrients, fibre and your gut microbiome is happier.
Lol I know, but they were essentially making the point that beans are just an overall better protein source.
Now, don’t get me wrong, beans are a great and nutritious food, and a good source of protein, but if you’re analyzing them just as a protein source, then they’re just objectively not as good as most meats, or like you pointed out, eggs.
I do agree that you should want to eat a healthy and balanced diet with a large variety, but at the end of the day macros do still matter, especially if you need to gain or maintain muscle mass. That can be because you’re an athlete, or because you’re over /under weight, or because you’re elderly and need to prevent muscle mass loss to maintain the rest of your health, or if it’s because your sick or recovering from an injury. In all those situations, where macros do actually matter, then it’s perfectly possible to gain muscle while eating vegetarian or vegan, but just normal beans are not the protein source to do it. You’re either going to want to eat quite a decent number of eggs on the reg, or supplement with a concentrate like whey or pea protein powder.
My point is just that beans are not an equivalent protein source to meat, and there’s no point pretending like they are. No one is going to fall for it and suddenly convert. You’ll have more success convincing people to go meat free by actually giving them viable alternatives, not gas lighting them.
Tell me you’re influenced by social media without telling me you’re influenced by social media.
Or you can just look at the nutritional information for beans?
Does the can of beans tell you you need 100g of protein? Musta missed that…
Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were questioning the nutritional density of beans.
In any case, I haven’t done the literature review on this, but just based on literature I’ve encountered on the matter (ranging from scientific papers to pop-sci articles), everything that recommends a lower intake also specifies that they’re recommendations for the average sedentary person. If you have any sources to share that contradict this, please do share. I think I’m going to do a proper lit review on this soon, so it’ll be a good addition.
Lmao, stop projecting bro. You’re so social media pilled that because rfk likes protein, you reactionarily think protein is bad.
Educate yourself on the very basics of nutrition, and then go touch some grass.
Oh yeah you’re definitely a gym bro. Even the way you type is cliché.
And you’re definitely so simple minded that you need to put people in buckets.
You put yourself in the bucket, I’m just pointing to it.
Lmfao you don’t even understand the analogy.
Cite your source on protein needs or shut the fuck up.
Nobody needs 100 fucking grams of protein in one day, even if you’re exercising you’ll still shit half of that out because your body can’t absorb that much.
Is there a c/confidentlyincorrect yet?
The standard Daily Recommended Allowance for protein intake is ~0.83g / kg body weight. I.e. that is the minimum amount of protein you need to eat every day to maintain your basic nutrition, which for a 180lb person is about 70g of protein per day, at minimum.
You need more it you’re an older adult, and you need close to double that if you’re an athlete trying to gain muscle.
Can we talk about insoluble fiber for a second?
A discount grocery store near me had 3 for $1 turnip greens. I ate then all over two days along with some homemade chicken stock I needed to use. What came out of me the next day was some kind of lovecraftian sleep paralysis demon. But holy shit have I been feeling great ever since! I sleep easier and longer, more energy throughout the day without a mainline of caffeine, and I think I’ve actually lost some weight dispite not actively trying to!
Y’all mfers need
Jesusfiber!I’ve honestly wanted to do a cleanse maybe this will be the trick. Plus I’ve always wanted to meet my lovecraftian demons, so added bonus!
Homie, I cannot describe how happier I’ve been since then! I mean, I know gut micro biota contribute to mental wellness. But the difference is fucking stark for me!
Also I am not a doctor or professional! Do not think this is some sorta miracle cure! It just happened this way for me, ymmv.
Right right of course. I’ve just been making steady improvements to my diet and had t found a lot in terms of fiber. Just something to try. Appreciate it!