Whenever I hear that a MAGA member is also a Star Trek fan:
Especially the glasses bit. It was the plot point of multiple movies.
Even weirder are the maga people who watch The Boys
Not suprised MAGA fans maybe thinks The Boys is “based” and “redpilled” in the case of Homelander.
i think they only watch specific parts of shows, to look for anything they think is out of the conservative parameters: men white, chrstian, in power/leader of groups, women always subservient, this goes for any Minorities". they dont actual watch it for its content, they are looking for specific things that outrage them.
Even if we filter out the United States, Academy is sitting at a sub 5/10 rating world wide.
If you call the MAGA crtisicms what you want, but after the fact there are plenty of legit ones remaining.
Are you seriously suggesting that IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes weren’t review bombed globally?
Any rating that has a distribution of 38% 1/10s has no credibility whatsoever, zilch.
And the alleged non US ratings aren’t vettable.
You think MAGA is inteligent enough.to review bomb foreigner reviewers?
I am confident that their are overseas bot accounts intervening to magnify cultural and political conflicts in entertainment spaces.
But there aren’t any equal amount of overseas bots pushing the other direction?
Not on this subject.
MAGA is an American thing, but there are plenty of people sharing their dumb opinions outside of the US.
Also, MAGA nutters aren’t actually less intelligent than anyone else, just cowardly and resentful. They don’t want to think about what’s causing the problems in the world, because then they might have to reconsider parts of their worldview and that’s scary. So they want someone to just swoop in and fix the problems without fundamentally changing anything, or failing that, gives them the feeling they have permission from society to lash out against anything they consider “abnormal” and is therefore a potential cause of the problems. And so they’ll resent anyone who criticises them for that or tries to undermine that feeling of societal permission they want or already have.
But not wanting to think about certain things is not the same as being unable to, and any intellectual capacity not spent on actually thinking about real problems and how to solve them can then be spent on how to create the impression that their opinion is dominant and therefore they’re not doing anything wrong.
Anyway, the point is that while there are definitely legitimate criticisms to be had about the newer Star Trek shows, your metric isn’t very useful for demonstrating that. To begin with, why hide behind numbers at all? It just makes it look like you’re trying convince people that your criticisms carry more weight because the world agrees with you.
why hide behind numbers at all?
Oh, okay let’s keep spending millions per episode so a few thousand people can enjoy the show. That’s absolutely how show business works.
Numbers are critical and a key indicator of mainstream success.
As I’ve stated multiple times already low viewer count combined with high review bombs indicates a disconnect between what’s being produced and what the audience wants.
…? We’re not the producers of the shows, how is that any of our concern? They’ve got plenty of bean counters at Paramount, if a show isn’t hitting their financial goals, they’ll either cancel or retool it. All we can do is watch the shows that get made and express and discuss our opinions about it, there’s no point in the fans engaging in bean-counting themselves.
Well I find it concerning because I really would love a new Star Trek that’s on the level of TNG, or Voyager, or DS9.
Ultimately does it effect me? Nope, but it’s disappointing when producers feel that such a departure is a good thing or even necessary to stay relevant with the times; when in reality those changes make the entire show irrelevant.
No one here is complaining about legitimate criticisms.
(But also an aggregated numeric value is not a criticism at all, it’s a reductive metric that means very little and I don’t understand why people ascribe so much value to these things).
For the life of me, I’ll never understand the mind of a viewer who gives a shit about aggregated rating scores like that.
But also an aggregated numeric value is not a criticism at all
How’s that? If 10 of your coworkers rated your job performance as 5/10; would you think that’s not a critical indicator of a failing performance?
How about viewer count, shall we go look that up?
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It could be a terrible indicator of your actual performance, if five of your coworkers rated you a ten honestly, but the other five rated you a zero because they hated the Black Lives Matter sign in your cubicle.
Yeah and if it had absolutely nothing to do with the black lives matter sign, and the person inserted the black lives matter sign as a defense, then what is it?
Then it is still meaningless if 5 rate you a 10 and 5 a 0. What would this rating say about you?
How’s that? If 10 of your coworkers rated your job performance as 5/10; would you think that’s not a critical indicator of a failing performance?
No. I’ve never been evaluated in such a fashion, and I’d resent it if I were. I think my boss should have the competence to judge my work on its own merits. I judge the shows I watch the same way.
I’m confused as to your purpose here. You seem to be arguing that the show is bad because it’s unpopular. Is that how you form all your opinions? Popular vote, no need to think for yourself?
You seem to be arguing that the show is bad because it’s unpopular.
The premis of the thread seems to be that the show is getting review bombed because of MAGA. I pointed out that filtering out the United States still gives abysmally low scores.
If you look at viewer count (low) and review bombs (high), it seems to indicate that the producers are wildly out of touch with what the majority of the Star Trek audience is about.
The premis of the thread seems to be that the show is getting review bombed because of MAGA.
What? No. The video OP posted was talking about specific nonsense positions put forward by specific nonsense people. I don’t believe it mentioned view counts or review aggregators. You’re the one who brought those up.
You seem very concerned with how popular this show is. To the point where, when I asked you if popularity is all you base your opinions on, all you could do is loop around to trying to convince me that that this show is unpopular. I guess that’s my answer.
The video OP posted was talking about specific nonsense positions put forward by specific nonsense people.
Which might not be stated but I feel is a defensive response to the negative reviews.
Is this video about MAGA response?
Are the negative reviews most likely from MAGA style viewers?
Yes? Then the two are absolutely connected.
You seem very concerned with how popular this show is.
I’ve answered this multiple times. Low viewship and high review bombs clearly indicate a disconnect between production and what’s expected by the audience. Sure they can produce whatever they want, but if Ford Motors starts producing coffee, then don’t be surprised when their customer base says “WTF, we don’t want this, we never asked for this”.
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The alt right is a global movement.
The 1’s are just there to review bomb, and a lot of the 10’s probably to increase the rating. If you look at the other ratings, the bell curve looks to peak somewhere between 7 and 8.
It is polarizing. An average rating does not represent this.
Eh, TNG had a rough start too, but became awesome. Note that it took two plus seasons to become consistently good.
Academy has lots of rough spots, especially in the writing, but it is not irredeemable. It just needs time to find its tone and audience.
It just needs time to find its tone and audience.
I agree with what you said but I’m kind of confused about this… Like the audience is there, its been there for 30 years. Why would you want to find a new one.
Not every show appeals to every Trek fan.
Just as Enterprise didn’t appeal to me, so Academy won’t to others. But if the show goes on long enough it may attract those trekkers who find appeal in a semi-angsty drama among a college age cast in a progressive academic setting.
I only got to know her videos after watching the 4 h dissection of SNW season 3, but her analyses (at least the ones I have seen so far) are very much on point. I love it. Far better content than that alt-right outrage about “pronoun Torpedoes” and “phasers set on woke”
its almost always women in power that gets thier panties in a wad, or a lgbtq+ person. ALmost always devolving into mysogynistic attacks, like they are too emotional, why are they leaders over men. this aside from the poor quality of Kurtzmen’s nutrek.
Thank you for sharing, truely happy to have a new creator to enjoy and sit with.
