An Australian app, so you can say “Epstein” on this one but still not “stop the genocide and colonisation of Palestine”. At least the hate speech manager (for now) isn’t an ex-IDF Zionist and the platform (for now) is not expressly pro-Israel / pro-genocide.
Isn’t upscrolled created by a Palestinian? I doubt he’d be okay with censoring a genocide against his people.
So, from the old brain rot to a new brain rot? Cool!
Not federated. Nothing stops this app from getting worse in the future, right?
I trust my palestinian brother who created it
If they’re brown, they can’t let you down.
Idpol in a nutshell
I wish we had a good term to describe making assumptions about how an individual will behave based only on their nationality, race, or ethnicity.
Well, Kanye never fails to entertain…
Is this like UpDog?
What’s UpDog?
not much, how 'bout you?
This made me lol
Got 'em
I looked it up in the App store out of curiosity and holy crap that app almost as bad as TikTok for privacy. Though I suppose people jumping ship from TikTok aren’t too concerned about data privacy or else they wouldn’t have been using TikTok in the first place.
Fucking, lol. It’s not even close. How did you find that conclusion?
Tiktok shares a ton with third parties and needs a lot more permissions.
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How is the change any worse than the current state? Isn’t this all just propaganda anyway to tank the value after the change?
TikTok is now US-controlled media. They’re doing basically the same thing China does, using it to spread propaganda and suppress critical news. That’s why Biden wanted it gone but Trump, as usual, undid all of the progress that was made and used it to increase his personal wealth and power.
idrc since the algorithim sucks on all, tried desperately to make my feed only show me edm and 3d modeling/animation content, nope, I see the same controversial low effort garbage everyone sees
Isn’t this all just propaganda anyway to tank the value after the change?
What?!
Larry Ellison bought it last week, bad things you’re hearing isn’t “propaganda”…
It’s people who know what is happening, or even just who Larry Ellison is
Chinese vs US propaganda through the app and algorithm. When you are being played you are being played.
They’re blocking the word ‘Epstein’ in DMs and also asking people to list their immigration status.
Hopefully jumping between different model but same shit highlights the bigger picture. And maybe just some of them may even say enough is enough.
Thanks for the downvotes lemmings, only asking a valid question
There is always Loops
Sadly no way to host your own instance yet, but it does look promising.
The git repo has a server installation guide.
IIRC that’s old news and you can now self host and there are other instances up.
Is there any discovery or list of other instances?
You get to watch a couple of videos only without logging in. No search.
Yikes.
No one uses loops. That Dan dude went all in on such a silly thing. Won’t be surprised if itit dies in two years or becomes a zombie project.
Here’s an idea. How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely, and stop rewarding them with excessive device permissions and personal data.
We need brainrot on Lemmy
Tralalero
🦈👟
What? No, that’s a horrible idea.
How about we abandon ragebait shortform slop/garbage aggregators entirely
In my day, we listened to AM Talk Radio! 16 hours a day, to and from work! None of this prissy little short form phone slop, no sir. It was three hour long shifts of Rush Limbaugh, Don Imus, Doug “The Greaseman” Tracht, and Sean Hannity. I earned my hate honestly, by fiddling with a little dial on my walkman and getting five commercials about cigars and dick pills every eight minutes. I got to hear bad riff tracks about how Japan was taking over our economy produced on a AKAI S900 that had been dropped down a flight of stairs. I didn’t know these people even had faces until Limbaugh showed up as a talking head for the NFL for a few months.
The very fucking idea that these stupid petulant spoiled woke lib fuck-around find-out kids are getting their news from a five minute long vertical visual display? OOOOOOOOoh it makes me SO MAD! I hate 'dem kids. I hate’m!!!
Those podcasts still exist, too. I think these short form videos are more like amateur magazines, they’re way more fun but flip-side unedited potentially troublesome content
Yeah, let’s not do any of that shit either.
You know that you could be against both, right?
Larry Ellison tool over Tiktok to stifle anti israel and pro Palestine voices and the NPCs thought it was all about China.
Told you so.
Are these people unaware that YouTube Shorts is a thing?
The attraction to tt was the algorithm. Yt’s algo is garbo. Yt just gives you more of the same, whereas tt would magically align you with your people and your needs. Yt is sorta trying to do that right now, but it’s all from spying on you, rather than algorithmically.
It’s like the difference between having a conversation with somebody irl about having itchy feet and then suddenly your algorithm is filled with ads for views cures for itchy feet, vs slowly figuring out that you’re neurodivergent, and then through watch time and liked comments, starting to feed you stuff that other people like you like, and you end up in whatever corner that is most useful to you.
It’s the difference between your platform ONLY being one video at a time and the devs HAVE to figure out what you MIGHT like, vs a platform that feeds you choices and a feed and tries to guess your categories and shit. It’s very, very different, and imo tt was much, much better.
It’s funny but, when people talk about what tiktok is just x-thing, they’re really really telling on themselves. Like if people say it’s just slop or teens dancing, it’s pretty well known, at least to people who have USED tiktok, that that’s really fucking bad unless the person is themselves a teen. Unfortunately, it’s usually a conservative senator or someone’s dad and it’s just eewwwww
Yt just gives you more of the same, whereas tt would magically align you with your people and your needs.
That sounds like the exact same thing to me but slower. And you seem to be implying that TikTok doesn’t spy on you, which I highly doubt.
youtube shorts get thier content from tiktok. and you can block shorts.
No, they are just keenly aware that YouTube Shorts is shit by comparison.
It’s literally the same thing
but its algorithm is not as addictive, so its shit
That’s the real reason I’m on TikTok… but I’m fine with that
I am and that is why I actively avoid.
Literally anything but FOSS, huh?
Out of the frying pan and into a cold frying pan.
There’s a FOSS tiktok equivalent?
Loops is the FOSS fediverse equivalent.
FOSS is just too much of a hassle for most people, unfortunately.
It unironically is, and it’s not entirely the fault of the users either. The average person doesn’t know what FOSS means, what instances are, or what a federated service is and many platforms do a poor job of explaining what those things are and why they are superior.
Additionally, people need to understand that FOSS is not a selling point to the average user and that throwing that term around will go in one ear and out the other. As far as they are concerned their apps are already free because they don’t have to pay a transactional monetary value for them and “open source” is beyond meaningless to them and they couldn’t care less.
Plus algorithms suck there.
Wow the ads for this app keep appearing! It will be another blue sky in less than a year
So, better than TikTok?
Low bar but sure!
Oh come on. Another centralised social media service that could be compromised. Wtf is wrong with these people
Yeah how come they won’t hop to a tankie filled content desert that is Lemmy? Where else will they find Facebook memes and US politics?
Well because why would someone look at Lemmy as a TikTok replacement
I think it’s hard to host a video-focused social media on the fediverse, I imagine it would have a high cost to maintain.
oh damn, I didn’t notice it is open source at first
It wasn’t for a while.
good to know, thanks for the info
Build it on top of Bittorrent. If you like a post, you’re seeding it. When you want to stop seeding it, your like goes away.
Then popular things will have a large pool of seeds mitigating much of the bandwidth cost to the instance host.
With the side effect of making manipulating the voting algorithm with bots a lot more expensive.
I think people would be pretty quickly upset by the batter and storage drain from this. I have to imagine if picking an instance is a barrier to mastodon, most folks are not interested enough to learn the mechanics of why likes suddenly use system resources, and see it as a failing of the app.
Plus the network usage for people with data caps, ISPs who throttle you for any p2p traffic etc it’d be a mess. Not to mention torrents usually have a ‘ramp up’ time as they find and connect to peers, probably not what people used to and endless stream of autoplaying short-form videos would want.
I don’t see any other choices other than:
- You host it yourself. (Peer to Peer social media)
- You pay someone else to host it for you. (Instanced social media)
- You trade your digital freedom, privacy and political stability of your country to someone else to host it for you. (Meta, X, TikTok)
3 hasn’t been working out so far and people really don’t want to have to pay another subscription. So you can spend your battery life and data instead. Maybe setup the service so that other people can seed on your behalf, so you could use your own resources or pay for someone elses all in the same ecosystem.
Peertube does a similar thing, using bittorrent to share the load, but it only works while you’re actively watching the video so outside of very popular videos it is usually just the instance who is providing bandwidth. By tying the data sharing directly into the primary interaction method it creates a much larger pool of peers and, eventually, once everyone stops seeding it the data stops existing.
No permanent record of everything you’ve ever posted, no central repository of data to be hoovered up by the AI startup who pays off the instance owner, no empowering a single person to control all of social media for their own selfish ends.
I am aware of the problems and have had similar thoughts about how best to deal with the taxing reality of streamed video, but I think the reality of it is, while already fighting the network effect and ad budgets, someone that downloads an app and see it saps half their battery for that day because they liked 5 videos and left, they are going to uninstall it.
I think instanced makes the most sense, and even that would be a hard ask if popularity every spikes.
I think the fact that Peertube which I think of as more a PC interface, where bandwidth and power consumption are less an issue, but still chooses to limit the peer connections to active watching speaks to how discordant the idea is with what people expect from streaming media.
I would happily use a desktop app as you described, so if it ever exists, let me know 😁
I am aware of the problems and have had similar thoughts about how best to deal with the taxing reality of streamed video, but I think the reality of it is, while already fighting the network effect and ad budgets, someone that downloads an app and see it saps half their battery for that day because they liked 5 videos and left, they are going to uninstall it.
The tech is already most of the way there.
Consider this.
There is already a type of community that has developed sets of rules and incentive structures such that they have created a distributed service with petabytes of storage for content and gigabits of excess bandwidth for delivery.
This service is in such demand that people will voluntarily study for and take a test (waiting hours in line for their 1 on 1 interview/test). This is in addition to their buying/renting their own storage and bandwidth and adding it to the pool that comprises this service. Much more work than plugging a phone in to charge!
What I’m describing is a private bittorrent tracker community.
They’ve created a scalable, peer to peer, media storage and retrieval service (for public domain videos and music, which are the best) where you’re required to contribute AT LEAST as much as you take (1.0 share ratio).
In addition, by publicly displaying the upload/download statistics about a user’s account it has turned into a source of social credit. People seed massively in excess of what they will every download in order to have the highest ratio. The social systems and norms are aligned with the good of the service.
People love the high ratio people, after all everyone loves downloading a 85GB 4k HDR+ copy of It’s a Wonderful Life at 15gbps, that’s only possible because Joe Ratio has a seedbox on a 50Gb connection serving up classic movies(super classic and old) for clout.
You don’t even have to worry about having movies downloaded in advance when you can just have your seedbox grab your favorite Charlie Chaplain movie and have it available for streaming directly from the seedbox in less time than it takes to grab a glass of water.
Take the model of a public tracker and create a decentralized messaging system around it (I think there is one or two projects like that already floating around but the names escape me). Bittorrent already has a distributed hash table (DHT) service which can completely replace a centrally hosted tracker or run along-side hosted trackers.
You are also right that it would have to be easy, but that’s possible. Signal has some of the most advanced encryption systems available but to the average user it’s just text messaging. There are some talented frontend developers and UX designers out there but that’s not my lane and I have confidence in them.
It’s a neat idea to think about, at least
I am aware of private trackers. I guess to me, even in the space of “it’s neat to think about” something like Loops and built on activity pub makes more sense.
Now if we imagined folks offering home hardware or ‘seed boxes’ to help an instance out, that I could see being useful tech, but constantly uploading from your phone seems a bit silly.
I think the answer is AV1. You can get good quality video into 500 NB per hour which is easily affordable with unobtrusive ads like a banner at the bottom of the app and a video ad that can be swapped away every 10 videos.
Honestly the best way I’ve seen this handled is how Odysee did it. There’s crypto involved, but ignoring that, they essentially just asked users to choose to allocate an amount of their hard drive/bandwith to be used for storing, and sharing videos.
That would work better from an end user perspective, rather than running their data usage up, and using storage on a storage-limited device like a phone, and I’m sure there’s a way to incentivize it that isn’t crypto
At least they are showing a willingness to move
Any non centralized platform would probably fall under the amount of users, unless they have some special funding
Also, some creators want revenue and shit… and decentralized platforms don’t allow creators to earn money
Is there a federated/decentralized version of tiktok? Right now would be the perfect time to implement one of these.
There is but it’s not on any app store yet, not even f-droid
Whats it called?
its that even their app installs is driven by recommendation algorithms of the app store. google will never recommend social media apps to people that don’t try to destroy society
99% don’t know what the Fediverse is. I can’t blame them for jumping ship to Upscrolled since it’s what they have heard of.
And me, living in the dark woods of Lemmy and Mastodon, have never, until now, heard of this ‘upscrolled’. I really like my ignorance-laced way of life.
I don’t really fault them when they don’t know there is an alternative. And the alternative isn’t clear cut and/or very good.
I do fault them for when they think that the platform is the solution and don’t expect the same thing to happen.
They’re leaving like redditors to Lemmy. There’s dozens of them!
It’s more like Twitter to BlueSky, which was a pinch more.
… and just resets the cycle
OK, but currently it’s at least in the (relatively) good phase of the cycle
They have an account for ICE
So when it was owned by China with the same spiral of destructive propaganda it was fine? ok
It will get worse than in China. It will be a tool to protect dictatorship in the usa, the american gestapo and protecting Israeli genocide
Was tiktok trying to prevent people from talking about the PedoTUS’s best bud Jeff, even in DMs? Or is that part cool with you?
I’m not that deep into MAGA lore that I’d knew what PedoTUS means or who’s Jeff and I’m sure TikTok sucks more than ever, but my point is, it always sucked infernally, from day one, and never should have been used in the first place.
User has strong options on topic they know very little about, news at 11
PedoTUS
The president (POTUS)
Jeff
Epstein
never should have been used in the first place.
Yes, and now its much, much worse.
The president (POTUS)
The pedophile president, you can’t forget to address Donnie Diddler by his proper title
I prefer rapist/child rapist to describe him, a bit more direct and accurate.
Especially since people like him aren’t primarily pedophiles, because we all know that for the orange fuhrer it’s about having power over a human being that can’t defend itself, not because of attraction - he’s only attracted to gold.
Also accurate, and those titles would have been acceptable as well. We just have to remember to use them.
Presumably when China asked for your immigration status or sexual orientation, which they didn’t, it wasn’t to send you to the camps.
So yeah, for Americans it would be worse.
