To be fair media advertizes republicans as the truck drivers or warehouse workers, and progressives as the artists or the tech CEOs; expect some right-leaning immigrants at first.
Look fuck ICE, try them in court and hang them.
But this is an absurd statement.
We wouldn’t need to worry about gun control!
Deport them where though? Maybe Mars?
Lol, is this from Command & Conquer?
Russia
I’m sure the poster pulled these numbers out of their ass. I wonder what the real numbers would be.
It’s guaranteed that replacing MAGA people with the same kind of immigrants we have today would reduce crime, but how much?
It’s almost impossible to say without really breaking down policing and crime rates by granular particulars that I’m not sure we really track with accuracy, as the US’s crime tracking is massively skewed because of things like over-policing, redlining/segregation remnants (an actual nazi on Lemmy actually pulled the 13/50 argument with me today) and of course under-reporting some crimes and over-reporting other crimes. Basically, our criminal justice system is so fucked in America that we can’t trust stats… so yeah, OP’s image might as well just make numbers up, it’s not like we have highly trustworth alternatives.
As for actual numbers, I did find this report from 2023 that seems somewhat reliable, it massively points to white families as the number one perpetrator in crimes against children in the US. (these stats include neglect, which is why women have a higher percentage of perpetration than men.)
Rates of just immigrant criminality have been studied, and as most of us know, it’s been shown that immigrants commit far less crime than native populations, and are about 60% less likely to be incarcerated for criminal behavior.
Yeah, that’s my reaction too. I’m guessing over 50% is likely true. The immigrants that make it here in the vast majority of cases is literally because they were hard workers and they came to work. Vs these violent racist shitbags who support trump.
agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it’s obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with “trust me bro”.
Find some actual numbers then.
It takes no time to make up some bullshit numbers. If every time you come across some obviously bullshit numbers, you have to do all of the research that the bullshitter didn’t do, you wouldn’t have any time for anything else, and it wouldn’t do any good, anyways. You’re proposing a completely dominated and losing strategy.
I’m okay with this.
Why stop at just the men?
Can confirm; plenty of abusive/criminal MAGA women out there.
Basically, every Karen, to start.
AND THE CHILDREN, TOO.
If we killed all humans the planet would be a paradise.
Ecofascism is not cool! Humans are part of the environment. Indigenous people all over the world live in symbiosis with the environment. The problem isn’t humans, it’s capitalism driving the ever increasing exploitation of nature so the line can always go up. “Kill all humans” and “humans are a disease” and other such phrases are ecofascism, and completely missing the point.
Counterpoint: the Ocean.
Have you seen what they’re doing to each other down there?
Even on land. I’ve seen what lions do when they take over a pride
Agreed with the exceptions of the cordyceps fungi and the parasitic wasps. No paradise with those kinds of deaths.
But then who would get all the DUIs? Checkmate libs!
Dodge Ram trucks just do that. They have FSDUI built in, so if no ones driving those it solves like three problems.
So you’re saying a side effect of this would be defunding the police
Our prison system will fail!
Why stop at age 50? Go all the way.
Only the truly evil, wealthy assholes live much past that. Most MAGA hearts just spontaneously explode around that age.
I assume (or at least, I hope) that they’re basing this on some kind of violent crime rate statistics, hence the cut-off.
The stats are way off, so I’m curious where they got those numbers.
My gut tells me “it was revealed to them in a dream”
It would be nice to include a source for posts like this, to help prevent it being labeled as propaganda if the numbers are legit.
This is what separates the magas from everyone else.
They see a chart like this (unverified claims that confirm their prejudices), it’s fact because it’s on the internet.
We see a chart like this and we are instantly skeptical. Even though we know it’s hyperbole, we at least know what hyperbole is, and many of us even know how to say it out loud.
There’s no way those numbers are legit.
No, they are. It’s involves overlaying a few different data sets but most violent crime is committed by white men under 50.
Immigrants of any flavor have lower crime rates than natural born citizens. If you feel this is wrong, that’s yoir xenophobia and racism.
They didn’t say white men under 50, they said maga white men under 50, which is an even smaller group. And they commit 80% of violent crime? You’ve got to back that claim up with sources because I don’t believe the stat you said either. I have heard other data points that go strongly against this.
87% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Actually upon further parsing, the statement cannot be true as it a end result reduction.
So while removing them also removes their ability to be victims which does help quite a bit, to get to 80% white men alone would need to commit 90% of violent crimes. Its easier to hit 70%, since only about 60% would need to be from white men but then we still need to account for maga’s percentage. The raw numbers including white men of any political affiliation max out at around 60%
And statistics makes this all really hard just to describing, showing the math around it is a mess.
The statement can be made true by more carefully wording it. For example if it was demostic terrorism instead of violent crime. Which I’m going to pretend is where my confusion comes from because I’ve done the numbers on that one before and I recall it being around that range. I think there is something on ourworldindata for that one.
The part about children is impossible because a lot of women commit crimes against their own children.
Obviously not, even setting aside the claim that immigration would reduce violence against women, which is definitely not the case depending on which ethnoreligious group we’re talking about.
My thoughts exactly. Political affiliation is not a statistical crime category collected by law enforcement, so I’d like to see the source behind these numbers as well.
Is making an assumption that since most white males in that age range are maga and most white males have a higher rate of violent crime than the general population, those who are violent criminals are more lllelt to be maga. That is correlation and it is used all over in statistics.
That’s not how correlation works.
Political affiliation may not be a statistical category collected by law enforcement (though I do question the veracity of that statement, but I don’t have the means or the time to dig into it), but we absolutely do have enough info on things like the political leanings of offenders and other similar data points to make confident claims about such data when talking about specific types of crime.
Not saying that I don’t absolutely want to see a source behind the claim as well, though. I don’t take any of these kinds of claims without some kind of data backing it up. Just that I do know that we can make some confident claims on the political leanings of those guilty of things like mass shootings, as mere seconds before Charlie Kirk was shot he was in the middle of arguing with a woman who was citing statistics on the number of people shot by trans people over the past decade in mass shootings compared to the number of people shot by conservative white men in mass shootings over the past decade (something like 5 to 437 if I remember correctly).
By looking at voter registration and data broker information you can connect that information, sure. On an individual basis it’s easy. But it’s a different matter to collect that data on all convicted criminals in the country within a given time period. The larger the time period the harder that gets, especially considering that people with older offenses and no recurring offense can petition the court to have their records sealed, making an accurate count harder.
And, speaking as someone who’s been on the wrong side of law enforcement a few times in my youth, political affiliation or leanings would not be part of the record unless it was relevant (e.g. politically motivated crime). At least, if it wasn’t part of my arrest or court records, then it can’t be true in all localities.
She’s kidding herself if she thinks immigrants have more respect for women but it’s a nice thought
There’s definitely countries that treat their women better than the average American.
Are they the countries that need to emmigrate for a better life?
Depends on the individuals personal circumstances doesn’t it
Which is why I doubt it
People from the UK emigrate to the likes of the US and Canada regularly and vice versa. What do you think about them?
Invariably shitty or decent people nonetheless
Someone hasn’t looked at crime statistics at any point in their life.
Yes, this is the sort of insanity some of the dumbest people left-of-center seem to genuinely believe. Or perhaps this is the sort of insanity that sock puppet bots from Russia are spreading to make them look bad.
Don’t be like them if you want to make it more probable that your side wins.
Let’s just deport all MAGAts. They’re easily replaceable, seeing as how they’re worthless.
Then people will be standing in line for years to get in to this place. Oh man, sign me the fuck up.
Yeah but who would want them.
Oof this thread is ripe for 13/52 trollposting 😬
