Atleast the machines won’t be able to tell the difference between me and a pile of plastic. All the other shit is like a beacon in the night.
You"re missing half the picture here. Zeros are such because legality is delirium. It’s all about money and Earthbound showed it clearly it when you get done with Moonside.
Shit if you make to the explination of your dreams right before you bot out to beat your neighbor Pokey & G…
I think you all read poorly. And that I write too cryptic of logic.
Zeros are illegal…
…Because legalism brainwork vampire and copypasta spam.
Do pee ball hence in antigravity?
If someone else told you what to think and you didn’t check the cards, what the fuck do you think you’re shuffling and what does it really say?
The US immigration “policy” is just as stupid as it is inhumane. At this point it’s easier to imagine it being orchestrated by rivals that think long term, rather than being just from the ever-present conservative hate and ignorance.
Our economy is built with an infinite growth mindset, moreso than most. ALL developed nations are seeing population growth slow down and even reverse – that’s just what happens when populations get educated and wealthy.
So what are we doing? Violently kicking out tons of lower paid workers while also scaring away some of the most highly educated and specialized Ph.Ds.
But hey, at least we’re consistent and also make conditions horrible for natural born citizens to raise USian children!
Having a sub class of folks who are not citizens is definitely a problem. We need immigration reform. Having illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less than minimum wage is definitely a problem.
Even Bernie has said as much.
With immigration reform we can set the path for these folks to get citizenship which will raise wages for everyone.
I have zero faith in congress’ ability to do this though.
ICE definitely needs to be abolished. Open borders is probably a bad starting point though… but I like that idea more than having ICE.
I have zero faith in congress’ ability to do this though.
This is the crux of the problem. Nobody has faith in Congress’ ability to do anything.
They are getting so old they can barely wipe their own asses.
The fact that immigration is even a thing here makes me chuckle. We literally killed the people who lived here, planned a flag and said that’s ours now. It’s such a laughably ridiculous concept. Every one of us here is a descendants of immigrants who came here looking for a better life.
I mean, native Americans/native indians still exist. So not everyone
I mean yes, but they were systemicatically murdered in a genocide, and forcibly removed from their land.
Anybody who survived that period was forced to integrate with American society or face systemic persecution and often death.
Hell, we went to war with a number of tribes bcz we wanted their land and resources. The point isn’t that Native Americans don’t exist today.
Its that their culture was systematically destroyed and their homelands burned to the ground or taken over.
Yes, I acknowledge all of that. Which is why I was correcting you when you said every one of us is descended from immigrants looking for a better life. It’s wrong to act like they are completely gone, not because it makes our ancestors look bad, but because it erases the people and cultures who are still here with us and persevere.
I think you are taking my original statement too literally.
Yea it was mostly supposed to be tongue in cheek :P Not actually mad or anything
i think, alas, the spirit remains true since indigenous people have been systematically barred from the levers of power. however, i still appreciate your comment because building something new that works for everyone will have to include, and frequently be led by, indigenous voices
I understand and agree with your sentiment, but supermajorities of voters in dem repub and independent parties want criminal immigrants deported. That’s why so many independents went with Trump this go round. They don’t like just rounding up everyone for the purpose of achieving some record of deportations just for shits and giggles though.
Establishment dems were downplaying crime and immigration issues while establishment repubs and Trump were exaggerating them. Immigrant criminals and gangs and cartels are a real problem and people on the streets see it, especially immigrants in those same communities.
With immigration reform and doing things like giving daca and similar immigrants who have been here since they were babies a path to citizenship makes sense. And so does having refugee and asylum options, especially in places where US foreign policy has directly caused the hardships that have and are causing folks to flee their own country. That’s basically all of central and Latin American and the carribean and also countries in South America, Palestine, Ukraine. US foreign policy is beyond fucked up.
Our monkey brains are still fixed on tribalism and racism which makes us infight though, allowing the establishment politicians to pit us against each other while the uniparty continues to serve the corporate and donor class… and Israel.
Please point me to all of these supposed immigrant gangs. I’d love to read about it. All of the research data that I’ve seen points to immigrants committing violent crimes at a far lower rate than actual citizens of the U.S.
If you don’t have actual data to back up your claims, you’re just spouting misinformation at best, or intentional disinformation at worst.
Cartels are a different problem entirely. Those are drug gangs from other countries. So, in don’t even know why you’re bringing that up in the context of immigration.
Absolutely, immigrants in general do commit far less crime than citizens based on what I’ve read and seen.
Republicans would have us believe gangs are in control of the cities and all kinds of craziness… this is not what I’m suggesting.
But there are examples of gangs and criminals doing things in relatively recent news cycles…
I was saying Dems tend to look the other way, Repubs exaggerate the problem… we all know we need immigration reform, and Trump was speaking to the issue when he campaigned. Dems downplayed it or suggested it didn’t exist at all.
I work every day with immigrants. I’m conversationally fluent in Spanish because of it. I support immigration and reasonable paths to citizenship. But under our current system we have an underclass of people being exploited by the owner class. That’s not acceptable to me.
I call BS. A real right winger would spell it boarders.
Yes, Open borders is the desirable outcome. The fact that people were saying they don’t want open borders shows they’re a lib and therefore not a real leftist.
It is not immigrants who are the cause of any problems in America, it is the right-fascists and oligarchs who shit this garbage out their mouths.
The counter to right-wing extremism isn’t right-wing liberalism, it is real leftism, the thing they are trying to dismiss.
Are people still giving right wingers the most valuable thing in their lives, time? I’m to the point I tell them to just STFU anymore, I don’t want to waste anymore time on them. They don’t have logical arguments.
I don’t want open borders, I want abolished borders, big difference.
The leeches are not the immigrants, unless they happen to be an oligarch immigrant like Elon.
When you say that you’re pro crime and violence on the innocent
I mean, I’m fairly liberal with immigration but I literally do not understand how it would even be possible to have completely open borders.
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
When Germany reunified about 2 million people (about 10% of the population) moved west. This is for a situation where they spoke the same language, had mostly the same shared traditions and culture , visiting family was a short car ride away and West Germany offered all the social services and workers rights one expects.
In what world would 100 million people abandon their whole lives to move to the US where they might not speak the language or understand the culture, to get bankrupt by a cold, having your kids killed in schools and working 51 weeks of the year?
Canada had an annual immigration rate of 1.4 million per year and the population is 40 million and that’s still with a limited non-open door policy, and it was way too much which Canada realized and started to restrict it, which would be the equivalent of America bringing in 14 million a year.
I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if 100 mil wanted to immigrate to America over ten years if there was an open door policy.
There are countries with 100 million people. This means the percentage of construction workers, teachers, and real estate agents from 100 million people would be enough to build enough housing for 100 million people.
Also aren’t virtually all roads, schools, and houses built by immigrants currently? More coming means we can build more. Hell, imagine we paid them enough to open their own universities and construction companies.
Infrastructure isn’t tied directly to labour available.
There needs to be enough time to construct, enough money to invest, enough space to have proper city layouts etc.
You can’t just build a water treatment plant anywhere.
You also can only build housing and schools and hospitals so fast, an extra 100 million people in America in less than ten years would mean and extra 25% or everything needing to be built in less than ten years.
At the moment government doesn’t fund construction of housing, so that’s an entire system that needs to put in place before letting everyone in.
Plus a bunch of other issues that I can’t even think about I imagine.
You can’t envision it because you live in a country that is currently incapable of maintaining basic infrastructure and providing the most bare minimum housing for its populace, much less expanding it.
That’s not true for elsewhere in the world, nor is it true historically.
10 million dedicated laborers (10%) is an insane amount of manpower.
You know border control and passports were never a thing not long ago right and it was never an issue?
What happens when 100 million people try to immigrate in less than ten years? Where would they live? Where would their children go to school?
When large enough number of people immigrate they start building new communities or expand existing ones and with the increase of human resources and demand new houses, infrastructure, and cities get built providing more jobs, money, and services. It’s how America was built after all.
If the development rate can’t keep up with the immigration rate then there would be less jobs and less services which makes prospect immigrants either find better opportunities at home or look for a different destination.
The only case where this rule wouldn’t apply would be with refugees whether it’s war or natural disasters. And even then after a few years they seem to mostly integrate well with society and the economy.
Where would they live?
In houses.
Where would their children go to school?
In schools.
Historically speaking passports and border controls have been the exception, not the rule. The reason you can’t conceive of it possibly working is you’ve only ever lived in a world where you need a passport to go somewhere.
The scenario of 100 million people suddenly arriving is FUD. Apart from not being likely even on purely logistical grounds, the questions you’re asking are ones that are eminently answerable: Where do they live? In houses that they build. Where would their children go to school? At schools that they build and staff. It’s from the same fearmongering stable as “theytookerrrjaawwwbs”.
They would live at Amazon Warehouses and the kids would be in the mines.
Open borders is more like ‘Come to the window, take an application, open to anybody’ and not ‘Only for people with corporate sponsors (H-1B)’ or ‘Willing to work in terrible conditions for shit pay and abuse, then go back home (H-2B)’ or ‘Be Rich (EB-5)’
There is still control over entry, but anybody who can pass screening and meets minimum requirements (has money to support themselves or has a sponsor/job waiting) will be allowed entry and a path to citizenship.
We’re a country of immigrants, it is hypocritical to attack the very system that is responsible for most of us being here.
Is there still a limit on how many people are accepted then?
Yes, a program like this wouldn’t have unlimited funding and could be overloaded so there would have to be practical limits set.
Ideally, in a system with a working government, the usage/funding would be monitored to ensure that immigration is being handled safely and at levels where there are not multi-year wait time or lottery.
In my opinion, the goal is to create a system where we can screen for border security issues while not hampering people who want to come here, work and pay taxes. This same service should also provide immigrant services to help them with their relocation by providing education and information in order to ease the process.
Open borders doesn’t necessarily mean anyone can come at any time. It’s about changing the process to be more equitable.
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of progress. We can move toward inevitable or destructive. I choose logically-forward, personally. Doesn’t matter my personal opinions
#Incrementalism #DoNotSplit
The moderate position is stop giving money to the gestapo. The people who want to give them money do not represent progress.
I vote for no borders.
Trump agrees. That’s why he “arrested” Maduro for breaking a US law
Monkey’s Paw.
Open boo-orders
