CEO is maga who made statements on protons official accounts lobbying against Democrats because their corporate interests are bad for big tech and they (corporate Democrats ) all need to be thrown out, so MAGA is their stance.
They backpedaled hard and pretended it was a mistake. Their reasoning that Democrats are bad for big tech is because none of them showed up to their lobbying event for “anti-trust” laws, but JD Vance did.
“CEO is maga” is the equivalent of going: “Lulzagna wants to force everybody on the planet to only eat lasagna and nothing else, because he tweeted ‘I like lasagna’ once”.
Context:
Trump was still in his “I hate social media because social media won’t force users to praise me” phase. He appointed a person known to be very pro-consumer and very anti big-tech to an important job at the DOJ. Democrat accounts defaulted to “whatever Trump does is bad” and started shitting on the pick. Proton CEO wrote:
Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
Which is all literally just stating facts. The only opinion here is that the pick is good - which, from the standpoint of a company that supports privacy and consumers - makes sense.
Then please provide details or links or something, because as someone who’s trying to figure out what’s going on here, you’re doing more arguing than explaining.
It’s a bit shit of you to call me a maga bot just because I didn’t know something.
I don’t go on reddit any more anyway.
Thanks for the link, though, I’ll have a look now.
Edit: Wow, that’s a bunch of crap from proton. I was thinking of switching to them. Crap.
I agree that corporate capture of dems is real, but to paint the magats as being for the little guy is insane!
I agree that corporate capture of dems is real, but to paint the magats as being for the little guy is insane!
You have to take the timeline into consideration.
It was all written before Trump 2.0. At that time, and specifically regarding tech, Republicans had much more to offer the “little guy” than Democrats.
Was it completely accidental, just because Trump was throwing a hissy fit? Yes. Did it end as soon as the big tech people started throwing money and praise at him? Also yes. But both of those things happened after the tweets and the comments were posted.
Just read this. It’s a full analysis of not only the CEO’s comments, but also of what Proton does in general. They do not support Republicans.
He made a statement praising trump for his security pick. To me he was just pandering to trump so they aren’t on trumps radar about encrypted software.
They couldn’t give less of a shit about Trump or his radar - they’re based in Switzerland.
He literally only said that someone who is famous for being anti big-tech, and pro consumer is a good pick, because Proton are anti big-tech, and pro consumer.
How this grew to all this nonsense people write these days is a fucking mystery to me…
Even if his cabinet pick is anti big-tech and pro consumer, the administration couldn’t be further from that (super buds with Palantir and their fix for health care is… A trump website)
The comment was made in a year before Trump 2.0, at which point they weren’t best buds with big tech, quite the opposite, because Trump was at the tail end of throwing a hissy fit against big tech.
How do you mean? How is starting a bunch of anti-trust and pro-consumer “hardly a point for anti big-tech”?
The facts are these: Republicans, under Trump, started these processes. Democrats mostly opposed them, because they were defaulting to “Trump = bad”.
The apolitical stance of Proton means that they don’t do that defaulting. If Republicans do something good for privacy, anonymity (lol), or consumers, Proton will approve. If Dems do the same - proton will approve. If Greens (or whatever the pseudo “third party” calls itself) does it - Proton will approve.
That’s all there is to it.
But we now live in times where people assume approving of “something XYZ did”, automatically means “approving of XYZ”, which is stupid, reductive, and destructive.
For example, it leads otherwise sensible people to boycott an excellent product, just because its CEO said “the appointment of someone famously anti big-tech to a high anti-trust position in the DOJ is a good thing”.
Read it before, seem normal. It mentions info about who contacts the user, and elsewhere something about IP and logs. But if there business operating model is true they have no keys they can decrypt with. If they do them proton is no different tjam google
it’s a honeypot that is just going to hand your emails over to whoever asks, there is no secure 3rd party email service. you want secure emails you have to self-host and encrypt
Supposedly they don’t have the keys though. They could start logging on behalf of a government warrant, but I’m not sure past email would be accessible. Its not even accessible to me if I reset my password
The CEO made “questionable” comments regarding the Trump administration. IMHO, the comments on it are way overblown, and are half way reasonable considering he’s a CEO whose only job is to make the company money.
Why is Proton terrible?
CEO is maga who made statements on protons official accounts lobbying against Democrats because their corporate interests are bad for big tech and they (corporate Democrats ) all need to be thrown out, so MAGA is their stance.
They backpedaled hard and pretended it was a mistake. Their reasoning that Democrats are bad for big tech is because none of them showed up to their lobbying event for “anti-trust” laws, but JD Vance did.
Edit: to all the maga bots: Google is free. Fuck off with your “gotcha” bullshit. https://archive.ph/2025.01.15-162500/https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7a91fs/
Oh, JFC, can we stop with this bullshit already?
“CEO is maga” is the equivalent of going: “Lulzagna wants to force everybody on the planet to only eat lasagna and nothing else, because he tweeted ‘I like lasagna’ once”.
Context:
Trump was still in his “I hate social media because social media won’t force users to praise me” phase. He appointed a person known to be very pro-consumer and very anti big-tech to an important job at the DOJ. Democrat accounts defaulted to “whatever Trump does is bad” and started shitting on the pick. Proton CEO wrote:
Which is all literally just stating facts. The only opinion here is that the pick is good - which, from the standpoint of a company that supports privacy and consumers - makes sense.
Here’s a deeper analysis, including a dive into those antitrust actions started by Trump 1.0, and projects that Proton helps financially.
That’s not what I’m referring to. You seen ignorant to their other comments.
Oh, please, don’t let me stop you from elaborating!
You maga bots don’t have access to Google?
https://archive.ph/2025.01.15-162500/https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7a91fs/
LOL, another cutie calling me a “maga bot”, I absolutely love this :D
Have you tried reading what I linked earlier? That comment from your link is already mentioned there.
Then please provide details or links or something, because as someone who’s trying to figure out what’s going on here, you’re doing more arguing than explaining.
What? You maga bots don’t have Google?
https://archive.ph/2025.01.15-162500/https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i1zjgn/so_that_happened/m7a91fs/
It’s a bit shit of you to call me a maga bot just because I didn’t know something.
I don’t go on reddit any more anyway.
Thanks for the link, though, I’ll have a look now.
Edit: Wow, that’s a bunch of crap from proton. I was thinking of switching to them. Crap.
I agree that corporate capture of dems is real, but to paint the magats as being for the little guy is insane!
You have to take the timeline into consideration.
It was all written before Trump 2.0. At that time, and specifically regarding tech, Republicans had much more to offer the “little guy” than Democrats.
Was it completely accidental, just because Trump was throwing a hissy fit? Yes. Did it end as soon as the big tech people started throwing money and praise at him? Also yes. But both of those things happened after the tweets and the comments were posted.
Just read this. It’s a full analysis of not only the CEO’s comments, but also of what Proton does in general. They do not support Republicans.
Thanks.
He made a statement praising trump for his security pick. To me he was just pandering to trump so they aren’t on trumps radar about encrypted software.
They couldn’t give less of a shit about Trump or his radar - they’re based in Switzerland.
He literally only said that someone who is famous for being anti big-tech, and pro consumer is a good pick, because Proton are anti big-tech, and pro consumer.
How this grew to all this nonsense people write these days is a fucking mystery to me…
Even if his cabinet pick is anti big-tech and pro consumer, the administration couldn’t be further from that (super buds with Palantir and their fix for health care is… A trump website)
The comment was made in a year before Trump 2.0, at which point they weren’t best buds with big tech, quite the opposite, because Trump was at the tail end of throwing a hissy fit against big tech.
Oh I do recall him mucking about with Google and Apple and Meta, but with how fickle that man is, that’s hardly a point for anti big-tech
How do you mean? How is starting a bunch of anti-trust and pro-consumer “hardly a point for anti big-tech”?
The facts are these: Republicans, under Trump, started these processes. Democrats mostly opposed them, because they were defaulting to “Trump = bad”.
The apolitical stance of Proton means that they don’t do that defaulting. If Republicans do something good for privacy, anonymity (lol), or consumers, Proton will approve. If Dems do the same - proton will approve. If Greens (or whatever the pseudo “third party” calls itself) does it - Proton will approve.
That’s all there is to it.
But we now live in times where people assume approving of “something XYZ did”, automatically means “approving of XYZ”, which is stupid, reductive, and destructive.
For example, it leads otherwise sensible people to boycott an excellent product, just because its CEO said “the appointment of someone famously anti big-tech to a high anti-trust position in the DOJ is a good thing”.
If they want to business in the USA hey have to pander to the panzshitter
First of all, that doesn’t matter to us, from the EU.
Secondly, read this.
Read it before, seem normal. It mentions info about who contacts the user, and elsewhere something about IP and logs. But if there business operating model is true they have no keys they can decrypt with. If they do them proton is no different tjam google
it’s a honeypot that is just going to hand your emails over to whoever asks, there is no secure 3rd party email service. you want secure emails you have to self-host and encrypt
Supposedly they don’t have the keys though. They could start logging on behalf of a government warrant, but I’m not sure past email would be accessible. Its not even accessible to me if I reset my password
For what i know only the subject is not protected.
The CEO made “questionable” comments regarding the Trump administration. IMHO, the comments on it are way overblown, and are half way reasonable considering he’s a CEO whose only job is to make the company money.