We have another event that invites people over to our side!
Translation: we’ve been snooping on all of your chats and you didn’t reference 6 or 7 in sequence more than is statistically likely due sometime currently over 18 years in age.
I brought this up in my friend group, and, to quote one of them, the general consensus is “is it weird that I actually don’t care”
We have had similar reactions to things like tracking by websites and other such cases. And to a certain extent, I get it: sometimes you just want your tools to work and move on with your life. And if that means that something you don’t particularly use or immediately care about is worse, then that’s just the cost of doing business.
Specially around “NSFW”, a lot of people just don’t engage with it in “public”. They leave “NSFW” stuff to one on one conversations with people they are close with, if at all.
The thing is, I say “NSFW” in quotes because we have seen, repeatedly, that what might be NSFW is not just porn. It has been extended to things around identify, sexual health and so on. Never mind that “you don’t care about privacy” until you realize that you were in a data breach and you now have to worry about malicious people getting you into financial peril by abusing your identity. Or worse.
I’m not sure how you get people to care, though, before things get bad enough.
Deleting my account
It was fun knowing you all! See you around.
Is there a fediverse alternative for Messenger? Because I currently partially use Discord as a non-Meta alternative.
Stoat has been recommended a lot, and it appears to be open source.
Signal is ok. SimpleX theoretically has better privacy guarantees (metadata privacy, more decentralized). Matrix is ok for communities; I think it exposes a lot of metadata though (who you are talking to, not what you’re talking about).
Matrix is fanstastic
Matrix voice and video chat is sadly under-equipped for the only kind of thing I want (team gaming and screen share). They are working on moving to a new realtime media transport but until it manifests I can’t see it as an alternative. I’ve read about Revolt and some others but I don’t see anything that seems capable. Happy to be corrected on this!
EDIT: it looks like Element Call is more or less ready, might try setting up a server this weekend.
It has been absolutely seamless with zero issues for me, but I’m a relatively recent adopter with low traffic just for friends.
Only problem is that its only available in the official element app but thats not a dealbreaker for me.
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My group mostly only uses discord for video chat during D&D. Is there a recommended alternative? We don’t use ANY of the other features. I’m looking into jitsi now.
Matrix (what some call element, element is a matrix client) has end to end video conferencing and is decentralized like Mastodon
I used to use https://talky.io/ before discord.
Element w. Element call is ok. Signal works too
now its another thing to determine whether a server you are looking at has set up support for Element call, or is still on the older calling method not supported by the new apps…
This is what I and others I know use it for as well. Virtual dnd for one or two while the rest of us are in person.
Haven’t used it for a few years, but Jitsi was great if all you need is video chat
I’ll just begin saying whippersnappers, and bees knees.
What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won’t.
Sadly this change won’t really affect them so they are not going to care. I’ve wanted to leave for a long time now.
Just leave.
What do i say to my friends to get them to leave? Ive already tried and they won’t.
I just abruptly switched to Matrix and encouraged anyone who wanted to get a hold of me to do the same, held my ground and did not look back, now a good handful of my friends have a Matrix account.
I joined a Matrix group, and the UX frustrated one person so much, they just quit. Kinda surprised me some people care about UX that much. I guess I’m used to using software developed by hobbyists, lol.
Same.
If someone isn’t willing to take a minimum amount of effort to stay in contact with me, then I’m not losing much if I don’t ever talk to them again. They don’t have to quit Discord, they just have to find me elsewhere.
Fuck Discord
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Fuck Discord is the common message now, but how about we amplify good alternatives? It’ll be easier to tell Discord to fuck off if we’re already set to move elsewhere.
Alternatives
- Revolt.chat (now https://stoat.chat/)
- Matrix.org
- cinny.in
- Rocket.chat
- mattermost.com
Stoat chat is still and likely always will be a flaming pile of mismanaged trash.
Matrix doesn’t actually support the features people actually use discord for. It’s a great alterative to teams or business communications but as a discord alterative it’s fucking awful.
I see rocket chat is used by the US Army and Air Force.
Not sure how secure that is.
And Mattermost is used by the US Air Force and Space Force, so same issue
Teamspeak, Mumble? These were popular for gaming communities, not sure what happened to these apps
I looked in stoat’s issue tracker and there is an issue asking for video chat which is 5 years old and still open. Safe to say it’s a dead project.
If I understand correctly, they recently rebuilt all of the voice/video stuff. Video should be coming soon, it’s more of a resourcing issue for their servers.
I looked at self hosting, but it’s a bit of a mess currently.
Matrix is mature enough, and has a better philosophy. Just the best choice atm.
Keep in mind everyone that Stoat still doesn’t currently protect it’s users information and is centralized. It doesn’t use encryption but it is very seamless.
You can host your own Stoat instance but it doesn’t communicate with the main one.
The devs have said they plan to add more security features in the future yet still don’t make it a priority. The host of Stoat should be able to see everyone’s messages, including in DM’s, due to the lack of E2E encryption.
Once they add more security features I imagine they will be much more popular in general.
In my view, security isn’t a feature, it’s a design choice.
I have no ill wishes towards Stoat, but I’ve never seen a developer convincingly implement security after the fact.
Forum’s, websites, all the shit we used to do.
Ah yes let me open up a voice chat of a forum.
Mumble has a web client… You can integrate that into your forum.
Sometimes as a community organizer you gotta put effort into solutions.
The main thing I will miss from discord is the ease of streaming with a small group of friends. That was main reason we chose it over alternatives back in the day.
In my day we just hung out with our friends…
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Discord has made communicating with a small group of friends who moved to different cities stay in touch daily while playing games, chatting in voice, and streaming stuff to share. Voice and text are great, but the streaming is how we share the in game moments we used to be able to see in person.
Bye bye Discord, you were never that good to begin with anyway.
For me it was replacement for Skype when it became shit in 2016
I will never understand the move from forums to discord. when discord is the only way to get assistance, I go find another product.
It was one of the first to make voice chat really really easy for gamers. Yes vent and ts existed before, but discord made it soooo easy and had integrated irc-style chat
Maybe I’m stupid or something, but I’ve always found Discord complicated as hell to use for anything whereas Vent is simple af
It’s easier to set up than a forum. I suppose. But messier.
A forum is much better suited for the purpose a lot of people are using Discord for.
They should be using Discord for voice chat and streaming, that’s what it’s good at. Use a fairly tool for what it does well. Not for what it does poorly.
I hope me being in 30 different coomer discords helps me out
They’ve outright said you will need to verify regardless of what your current usage is.
Everything I’ve said is everybody is categorize as a teen unless the provide face/ID verification. So anonymous should still be allowed in general, just not to servers/channels set as age restricted.
Correct, takeaway being that being they’re not going to assume you’re an adult because you’re in a shit ton of coomer discords.
