I mean, Carter (East Timor), Clinton (Rwanda), Obama (Yemen), Biden (Gaza). Shit, you can even lump FDR in. He knew about the concentration camps.
Sorry, libs. These folks may not have pulled the trigger but they supplied (or withheld) the means to carry out (or prevent) mass suffering.
I still vote blue because of the state I’m in, but it can be very, very difficult a lot of the time. America is a deeply unethical nation. I tend to follow Trot-turned-Catholic Alasdair MacIntyre in how I view voting (though I don’t agree with his specific examples): https://chamberscreek.net/library/macintyre/macintyre2004vote.html
In this situation a vote cast is not only a vote for a particular candidate, it is also a vote cast for a system that presents us only with unacceptable alternatives. The way to vote against the system is not to vote.
How exactly does not voting go against the system? It is broadcasting to the politicians that your opinions aren’t important. The system doesn’t worry that voter participation is low, it relishes it. The fewer people that vote, the easier they are to manipulate. To the extent politicians care about opinion polls, they care much more about those of “likely voters”.
There are ways to change the system. Not voting isn’t one of them. Voting is compatible with all of them. Voting is going to be critical to some of them.
So that guy thinks morality is cooked. And if morality is cooked our politics are pretty cooked because we have no way to put into action what we think are moral aims. Here’s an article from jackoffbin from a guy who tried to synthesize liberalism and socialism. I think he teaches at Spellman now, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, he’d probably say we need to set up entirely new social relations outside of our two party system (and capitalism which both parties support) because neither party has a coherent idea of what human flourishing entails.
Pretty sure, like, Danny Bessner is influenced by MacIntyre. I think he cribbed a MacIntyre point about patriotism during an episode of Chapotraphouse back in the day.
But vote until you cum, I don’t give a shit.
I’m tired and this instance is making me feel schizophrenic. Disengaging or whatever now ✌️.
brattykat is being sardonic there
On one layer.
Maybe the OP didn’t intend it, but you can also read the fictional liberal as being unable to imagine a democratic candidate that isn’t genocidal.
Is there a nongenocidal Democrat?
I mean, Carter (East Timor), Clinton (Rwanda), Obama (Yemen), Biden (Gaza). Shit, you can even lump FDR in. He knew about the concentration camps.
Sorry, libs. These folks may not have pulled the trigger but they supplied (or withheld) the means to carry out (or prevent) mass suffering.
I still vote blue because of the state I’m in, but it can be very, very difficult a lot of the time. America is a deeply unethical nation. I tend to follow Trot-turned-Catholic Alasdair MacIntyre in how I view voting (though I don’t agree with his specific examples): https://chamberscreek.net/library/macintyre/macintyre2004vote.html
How exactly does not voting go against the system? It is broadcasting to the politicians that your opinions aren’t important. The system doesn’t worry that voter participation is low, it relishes it. The fewer people that vote, the easier they are to manipulate. To the extent politicians care about opinion polls, they care much more about those of “likely voters”.
There are ways to change the system. Not voting isn’t one of them. Voting is compatible with all of them. Voting is going to be critical to some of them.
So that guy thinks morality is cooked. And if morality is cooked our politics are pretty cooked because we have no way to put into action what we think are moral aims. Here’s an article from jackoffbin from a guy who tried to synthesize liberalism and socialism. I think he teaches at Spellman now, but I could be wrong.
https://jacobin.com/2024/09/alasdair-macintyre-marxism-morality-liberalism
Anyway, he’d probably say we need to set up entirely new social relations outside of our two party system (and capitalism which both parties support) because neither party has a coherent idea of what human flourishing entails.
Pretty sure, like, Danny Bessner is influenced by MacIntyre. I think he cribbed a MacIntyre point about patriotism during an episode of Chapotraphouse back in the day.
But vote until you cum, I don’t give a shit.
I’m tired and this instance is making me feel schizophrenic. Disengaging or whatever now ✌️.