His threat was directed at countries in the so-called BRIC alliance, which consists of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates.

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    Does it feel like Trump just learned the word “tariff” a couple weeks ago or is that just me?

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      No he definitely learned it years ago, but he’s a simple boy, he can’t hold too many concepts in his head. It’s mostly just rape, fraud, and now tariffs

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        That “simple boy” has won two presidential elections and has avoided jail even though he has been convicted multiple times.

        Underestimate your opponents at your own peril.

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          Nah, he really is fucking dumb. Not to say he isn’t dangerous. But I don’t believe for a second he is the architect of his rise

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    I’m sure this will help drive BRICS closer together as they feel attacked by America. Allowing Russia to poach powerful allies away from the US.

    Trump must be Putins greatest dream.

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      He believes they can’t raise their own tariffs in turn. That’s the real danger here. Not Americans paying double for some knock off plastic widget on Temu, but American exporters running into an equivalent tariff wall trying to import cars and computers and pork shoulders into China.

      He’s taking a guillotine to American global logistics

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    Man’s really out here acting like tariffs are a cheat to fix everything. This whole move screams “short term flex, long term mess.” BRICS isn’t gonna back down just because Trump said so on Truth Social.

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        Large assumption that my fellow Americans will understand this. They’ll just spin it as bidens fault or some shit. Zero accountability or understanding necessary.

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          77 million won’t, 74.5 million will say “I told you so, I’ve been telling you so, how are y’all such a goddamn bunch of deplorable morons?”

          80 million will continue to be either unable to vote in federal elections or just actually dumber than the Trumpers.

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        Americans have an amazing capacity to not understand things for centuries after the fact. Some of them are still in denial about why the civil war happened.

        When the consequences of Trump’s tariffs become clear, they’ll just blame the closest Democrat.

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          Something I think Trump is great at is pointing at other factors for why things would be bad. For instance he will point to the imigration and other thing instead of his own actions. I fucking hate this guy but I have to admit he is good at what he is doing and that is lying.

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            Mostly because even the mainstream media will never call him out on it. There’s never been a headline like ‘Trump lies about ___’, despite him constantly, knowingly lying.

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              That is not really true. Also if the news would have to constantly say he was lying (which they do) then thry would use all there time on it because he lies constantly.

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                https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/us/politics/trump-debate-immigrants-pets.html

                ‘They’re Eating the Cats’: Trump Repeats False Claim About Immigrants

                Not ‘lies about immigrants’, it’s ‘repeats false claims’, implying that he has no agency or responsibility when he does this, just the same passive voice reserved for officer involved shootings and spontaneous explosions in Gaza.

                They never dare to use ‘lie’. If you’re going to write the article anyway, call things what they are.

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                  Of course they don’t, otherwise they get sued, then the onus is on them to prove that Trump knew it was false at the time he said it.

                  Good luck proving that.

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    For someone who isn’t Putin’s puppet he does and says a lot of stuff that makes him look like Putin’s puppet. If it quacks like a duck…

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    Even though it would affect me as an American citizen, I wonder what will happen if all countries decided to sanction the U.S.? Presumbly to rebuke a near-fascist leader coming to power. How many countries would actually do it is another question.

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    Remember how China’s CCP keeps trying to have its way by using threats to bully other nations into submission and all it does is rally everyone against them instead? Watch the world turn its back to the US even faster now.

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      Yup. The first Trump presidency is why North Korea is blowing up roads and sending weapons and military units to Russia. Just read the open letter Kim Jong-Un sent to Trump after their Infamous meeting. Kim essentially called Trump a lier and that Kim wouldn’t be made the fool again. Trump spent less than 12 hours with Kim and destroyed any possibility of reunification of Korea. Dude is a cancer

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        What the world must learn is that, in the American system, the word of a sitting president or from his secretaries are worth next to nothing in the medium to long term (ie beyond 8 years) until it passes congress and becomes law. I would say the world is a sucker for believing that promises made by the executive would stick beyond their own terms

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    Oh no, these countries wanna be less dependent on the US? Better try and bully them with what little leverage we got left, great plan. Honestly, if he actually does it and it screws over the economy, maybe people will finally wake up and do something about him.

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    I think there’s an argument for what Trump is saying. Tariffs mean that Americans will chose product alternatives that don’t have those tariffs attatched. Possibly from other countries outside of BRICS.

    IT also gives him leverage in negotiations (eg. He can offer to life the tariffs)… And gives him a way to appear to improve the economy (“oh look, things got cheaper and spending accelerated because I lifted my tariffs, ergo I’m good at economic management”).

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        A lot of people don’t seem to grasp this idea.

        If Tramp goes through with his original plan on applying a minimum of 20% tarrifs to all imports, there are exactly zero choices.

        Consumers eat the 20% price for imports, and local manufacturers raise their prices to match because they no longer have any competition at their old price point. To make it worse, wherever domestic production isn’t able to meet demand, products will still have to be imported.

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      He’s not that smart. He bankrupted his own casino. You know, the business where people just give you their money.

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        I didn’t say prices wouldn’t go up. Byt I don’t think someone like him worries or cares about how much people will have to pay to replace their washing machines. Do you think he cares about that?

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          No of course he doesn’t care as it doesn’t affect him. He is rich and don’t give a single fuck about anyone but himself. The whole giving him a chance to negotiate is also BS. China and other countries will never pay these tarrifs and therefore it will be more expensive because the cost will be higher for the end consumer

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            The do pay if their are products of the same type, eg. one is Chinese with the tarrifs priced in, the other from a country without that tariff on it. Consumers will choose the cheaper option over the Chinese tarrifed version (resulting in less sales).

            Producers in china then report lower sales in the American market, putting pressure on their government.

            So although the cost is theoretically paid by consumers it is still a form of pressure (depressed sales) on the producer. That’s what I meant in seeing it as a possible negotiating tool.

            The left/right political narrative is elsewhere though, not in a place that is about investigating these angles of understanding. That’s okay. I accept that.

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              That’s not how it works. Other products will also become more exspensive as a result. The competitors will not hold back on the prices.

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                That’s a different topic with various factors involved… But generally pricing someone out can keep a competitor off shelves. Most companies want to secure marketshare.

                This is not the same as what happened during covid, which effected the whole of the domestic market at once. Obviously tariffs on specific importants is a different effect than that.

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                  No, that’s the point. Both the less exspensive and the exspensive products will go up in price because of this. Just look at what happened with washing machines under Trumps first period. They went way up in price and drying machines did also go up in price. This will happen to most products in general if these tolls will be implemented. China will never pay for these tarrifs and the consumers will be the ones that has to.

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      An argument for what Trump was saying?

      Like, are you for real? Trump doesn’t have the slightest fucking clue; and as far as what Trump is saying:

      You’re so full of shit. Like, seriously, tell me what Trump was saying? Dementia Patient in Chief doesn’t even know, so wow, you must be pretty smart… Or you know, maybe not.

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        The election result is a very touchy and emotional subject for most Americans. On the left and on the right.

        Ironically the right are less destabilized by their emotions. The left are the ones shaken and unable to recover even to discuss what’s going on.

        That’s a problem. That’s part of the loss. It’s understandable it’s why he won (there was an emotional game played on the left and right by Trump’s campaign). Which is a slightly different topic than why the establishment dems lost. But both pertain to an very emotional election.

        …so I understand you are rendered incapable as far as discussing these things. Your emotions are understandable. Someone in power is finally being open about selling your democracy, your rights, to fascists. That would be upsetting.

        But that’s got little to do with me being able to see how his tariff plan benefits him. Nor does being able to see what he’s doing make me “full of shit”.

        But I understand it’s rightfully a sore point for any American who is a reasonably intelligent person.