• Frozentea725@feddit.uk
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        9 days ago

        Great response, people just love to parrot easy dismissals without looking and the sheer magnitude on innovation and commercialisation going on in this sector

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          9 days ago

          It doesn’t really dispute it, though. Lithium-ion has seen a lot of improvement, yes, because it’s already a giant industry; other battery chemistries have a hard time breaking through because they require entirely different processes to manufacture.
          I’m still rooting for it, but it’s not really the same thing.

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              9 days ago

              You can’t buy anything with solid state batteries yet, and when you can, they will cost a fortune.

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                8 days ago

                Uhh you know you can buy an external mag safe battery bank with a solid state battery for like 45 bucks on amazon as well as the big generator ones as well?

                I agree that cost isn’t amazing. You are essentially getting about half the capacity per dollar spent to a standard battery device but also these are in fact more stable for temp swings and damage. Soo… consumer available and not a fortune just need to have justification for it.

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        9 days ago

        TBF, there are a lot of “battery breakthroughs” that turn out to just be hot air. Battery technology has made tremendous progress though and there is still a lot of room for improvement.

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        9 days ago

        Weird, I didn’t know Lithium-Ion batteries were still in the lab. I thought for sure we were using those already. I thought the batteries in the labs were various solid-state batteries like graphene or like this sodium-ion battery, where there’s been a rise in patents around it but not a lot delivered

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          9 days ago

          There are a bunch of lithium ion chemistries that have come to market more recently.

          LFP sits in the low cost marker while NCA is the highest performing of the mass market batteries, and NMC is somewhere in between.

          Sodium might be coming for LFP’s low cost position, and is already beginning mass production (some Chinese manufacturers expect those models to hit the road in a few months).

          If you think rechargeable battery R&D from 10 years ago isn’t making it into mass produced products today, you’re just not paying attention.

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            9 days ago

            There are a bunch of lithium ion chemistries that have come to market more recently

            Like what? [Citation required]

            If you think rechargeable battery R&D from 10 years ago isn’t making it into mass produced products today, you’re just not paying attention.

            Please provide examples.

            I mean, as much as a person who doesn’t work in research and development of energy storage, or work in industries directly related to it, I personally feel I’ve kept up. The day Donut Labs announced their battery I was watching review videos about it, and I want to believe, but until I see it for purchase, I’m not going to call it a win.

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              8 days ago

              Like what?

              Wasn’t LFP commercialized at EV scale like a decade ago? It went from like 0% market share to majority market share in about a decade.