The evidence that ketogenic diet might help with schizophrenia symptom remission comes from two case reports that Palmer published in Schizophrenia Research in 2019. When discussing them, Palmer was quick to emphasise that “yes, it’s only two”, and that “case reports don’t prove anything. They’re not controlled. They come with tremendous amounts of bias.” But, Palmer noted, that can be important for generating hypotheses about what treatments might work. Palmer thought it was valuable to publish these case reports because remission of schizophrenia symptoms is incredibly rare.
Two case studies! The scientist quoted knows that it means nothing! Don’t read one article that might show something that confirms your bias and go “this is real.”
“But even the doctor who wrote about it says it isn’t a cure.”
“What the fuck does he know?”
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wasnt there a recent post, rebuking ketogenic diet is not much of difference.
Nothing this snake oil salesman says is ever backed by any evidence.
thats DR.OZs job.
Don’t those who experience seizures eat a keto diet?
It’s a treatment for people who don’t respond to medicine.
https://www.epilepsy.com/treatment/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet
It’s pretty interesting! I listened to a medical history podcast about keto years ago.
https://maximumfun.org/transcripts/sawbones/transcript-sawbones-ketogenic-diet Apparently the diet started as a treatment for epilepsy. Way back in history people noticed that if you were inclined to have seizures and were starving, you had fewer seizures. In the early 1900s there were experiments to figure out how to reduce seizures without, you know, starving them to death. keto!
I wouldn’t be shocked if keto had some kind of effect on the brain that helps with schizophrenia, but there’s no real info yet.
There are an increasing number of case studies for Bipolar Disorder, as well as pilot trials. If you’re interested, there is a YouTube channel called Keto Bipolar with interviews that you could take a look at.
As a bipolar person I tried the keto diet. It made me super manic and I ended up in the hospital so ymmv
I’m sorry to hear that. It makes sense that everything I’ve read on the topic says it’s best done with the help of a psychiatrist as it is a medical intervention.
Interesting. Just to correct you though, BPD is Borderline Personality Disorder not Bipolar.
Thank you for the correction, I’ll edit my post.
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Who would have guessed you could cure mental illness back thousands of years by eating exclusively chicken.
That’s a carnivore diet. A ketogenic diet can be vegan.
Not that I’m recommending a vegan keto diet, I’m just saying you got your diets mixed up.
After some health issues I did a whole food plant based, no SOS, Keto diet. My cholesterol ratio went to 1.08 without meds, I lost a ton of weight, was full of energy and got fit as fuck, and apparently I was “full of color” because I was now eating a ton of vitamins and nutrients. Great diet but viciously difficult to keep up with unless you have a peraonal chef.
Needless to say, I am no longer that strict.
I’ve also done several stints of mostly veg with some fish keto, and every time it’s like magic. Feel great, clear head, drop 5kg over a couple weeks. It’s always back-to-back social things or travel that break it. If I lived in a bubble or some keto-only hippie commune, I’d be shredded like a block of cheddar.
It was the COVID lockdown that killed it for me. I haven’t been terrible since, but I also have not found the motivation to go hard core again.
But a block of cheddar isn’t shredded. It’s a block. Shredded cheddar is shredded.
The cheddar GETS shredded through work.
FIBER does slow down the absorption of fat, cholesterol and sugar. i
Can confirm. I’ve been on and off keto for years, eating fats and fiber really makes you hungry a lot less often. It helps facilitate intermittent fasting if that’s something you’re into.
one thing i noticed when i bought/ate raw coleslaw after wash(not the adulterated processed with all the sauces) it helps with helping you “go more regularly”
When has RFK ever suggested a vegan diet? The article referenced a “red meat, whole milk and animal fats” diet. So my mistake I should have said steak not chicken.
Whole milk has more sugar than it has fat.
he reccomended RAW MILK.
That’s true, sorry. Raw milk has more sugar than it has fat. (it’s basically the same as whole milk)
Whole milk + live bacteria!
that is where you get all your essential parasites.
Has anyone found evidence behind the claim that RJK Jr can integrate novel information?
Even beyond like actual facts and evidence proving this wrong, I have one fundamental question for all these nutcases making wild claims about diet: why the fuck would X diet do Y thing?
Like what about eating more meat and fat & being in ketosis could possibly have any effect on schizophrenia, of all things.
It doesn’t even make sense on any basic level. Could there theoretically be some counterintuitive thing that would cause an effect? Maybe, sure. But come on - these wacky claims don’t even pass the sniff test.
Why would anyone take anything seriously from a man who had actual brain worms.
Maybe going keto would grow them some extra brain cells so they could realize it’s a bad idea
I do think it’d be interesting to do a real study on it. Keto can reduce seizures, and after study it might turn out the same mechanism of action that helps there helps with schizophrenia symptoms. I hope there’s a more extensive study being planned out there.
The good news is there are studies being done!
There is a lot of co-morbidity between Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, depression, and Schizoaffective disorder. Epilepsy might’ve been in this list as well. The research in this WRT to nutrition is known as Metabolic Psychiatry and the book that Dr Palmer has written is Brain Energy. It is a fascinating read. Other notable resources include Dr Georgia Ede, Dr. Bret Scher, and Dr. Iain Campbell.
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Unless I’m mistaken he doesn’t even make money off the keto diet, this is just stupidity for stupidity’s sake
He makes money off of stupidity, though; his and others.
anti-vaxxers were an UNTAPPED grifting “natural resources”, before COVID, it always existed in the fringe and always were midwestern moms/families who ironically believe in chronic lyme too.
It’s more insidious than that. In general, meat forward diet influencers are entry points into the conservative pipeline. You start out seeking to improve your health and very quickly end up exposed to jordan peterson types who will ominously warn you of the “normalization of inadequacy” among the general public and suggest progressively more conservative content as a pathway to achieving your full potential.
So in essence, though he may not seem to directly benefit, by highlighting these types of diets he knows plenty of people will hop on youtube or whatever and get algorithm’d right back into the broader MAHA/MAGA sphere
the gym bros, culture is also pretty conservatives, they follow UFC, and by extension roegan, and other pseudointellectual. J peterson is a fully paid shill for Putin, ever since he went to russia to GET a coma from them.
No evidence behind most of what this walking crime against humanity says
Look at the last year.
Now imagine permanently living in a conservative America.
That’s a reality we’re actually facing because Americans can’t get their shit together.
i was raised evangelical fundie and have had multiple breakdowns in the last year from feeling like i am being forced back into a life i clawed my way out of. it is hopelessly depressing
“RFK Jr’s claim keto diet can cure schizophrenia” But RFK jr is living proof that it’s not true or he would no longer be schizo. Go away raw milk boy.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here
RFK follows a keto diet, hes saying that proof against this claim, because he acts like a schizophrenic.
I was going to make kind of the same joke, but phrase as
By republican math, I think RFK just admitted hes a schizophrenic
A well roasted, sun-dried schizophrenic.
Bobby may himself be evidence that his diet actually causes mental disorders
No evidence behind RFK Jr’s claim
Ima stop ya right there… heh
There’s plenty of evidence. The voices he hears all promised that it’s true, and they say they’re all doctors and wizards and wizard doctors.
Same as his boss’ ‘many smart people are saying…’
Fuck you, Bobby.
obviously false claim has no proof, wowzers. lol
