I posted this meme to the Lemmy Shitpost community. I reckoned that it might generate a bit of debate, and would probably end up locked, but the entire post got deleted, and moreover, I’m now forbidden from sharing political posts to the community. Political posts are not against the rules of the community.
I have reason to believe that the post was deleted not because it was controversial, but because the moderator (Decoy321) disagreed with the political slant of the meme. The reason I find this suspicious is because other controversial posts, such as one about veganism remains up, and Decoy321 seemed to enjoy the fact it was controversial:
The differences between the democratic party and the republican party are primarily aesthetic and procedural - being more concerned about whether the rules were followed than about whether innocent people are dying.
The democrats go to war, but they have better excuses for liberals to justify the imperialism to themselves. The biggest difference between Trump and Harris is that Trump is too stupid to do what Bush did, and Kamala isn’t.
There are a couple of more progressive candidates here and there, but even the most progressive democrat politician is usually still way more moderate than the median democratic voter.
The meme I posted was indeed a shitpost, but it was intended to act as a springboard to discuss these real issues, not as a defeatist perspective, but to focus on what we should do to solve it. Sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like the ruling class haven’t totally fucking us all over and covering up child abuse everywhere isn’t sufficient. The Democrats are up to their eyes in lobbyist money and corruption.
Protest and elect. Emphasis on protest.
This is simply an oversimplification to the degree of being simply not true. Are there democrats who are “pro-death but within the rules”? Absolutely. Are they the entire party? No. Some democratic politicians aren’t really “pro” anything, they just go with the flow and some are authentically progressive and against endlessly bombing the middle east. Right now we’re at a tipping point where there are enough progressives to spook the inauthentic “middle” democrat who doesn’t care either way, they just want to get re-elected. All it took was sacrificing a bunch of people domestically (and abroad actually, starving Africans… and probably extra Palestinians) to the blood smeared altar of fascism by letting Trump win again. Congrats to the “anti-genocide” side I guess.
This is conjecture and fundamentally not knowable. Even progressives will control their language to avoid the full ire of the DNC leadership. Just like there are republicans who are legitimately just Nazi’s, christian death cultists, or pro-rape or whatever but pretend to be “good ol boys” (though barely bother to do that now) there are progressives who probably secretly want socialism.
I’ve met plenty of people who describe themselves as “Dem Voters” and people who don’t vote at all. To describe the average or median of them as “more progressive” than the most progressive democrat legitimately is an insane thing to believe. Do you live in an urban center in a major blue city or something? (If so I’m jealous) Because that is light years from what I see.
I appreciate that you still have hope and are trying. I mean, I’m still going to do the bare minimum and vote (including primaries) but my days of activism, donating, and volunteering are fucking over now. I’m way too bitter and cynical.
I used to do that. I live in a red state and dude the average person here in is a dire state ideologically. Its like trying to help people who if they knew what I am and what I actually believed would consider me a pariah and probably find me to be a disgusting nihilistic anti-theist communist sexual degenerate.
And they’d be right on at least two counts.
I don’t know that I believe that the concept of “left” is coherent anymore. Is punching a progressive liberal OK since they’re technically to my right? Doing so seems counter intuitive to electoral victory at all. Tankies are frequently described as to my “left” but tbh I think this makes no sense given who they tend to side with and I’d much rather punch them…
As for punching down, you’ll have to pry the r-slur from my cold dead hands. I’m not even sorry because I’m not talking about people with special needs when I use the word. I’m talking about MAGA’s, libertarian’s, religious people, and ruroids when I use that word.
Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds
You are exhausting and ML’s seemingly favorite phrase to describe anarchists, an unserious person.
Your faction’s way of thinking is a major reason I resent existence. You are letting the actual fascists win and there is nothing I could say to change your mind. You might as well have been a MAGA pre-2024. Worthless, stupid, petulantly virtue ethicist.
You have nothing to counter intellectually and its evident. Why should I even try with people like you when this is your vapid fucking response? Waste of time, repeating stupid pointless memes.
Its so depressing. And it just confirms I’m making the right choice to separate myself from this stuff and I don’t want to be right, I want to be wrong. I want there to be something here and no one is capable of offering it.
You’re very clearly arguing to have your existing beliefs confirmed. If you want to be wrong, ask questions instead of declaring your own positions about things. I’d gladly educate you on why your ideology is wrong and why your beliefs lead to fascism, but it’s obvious to me you aren’t here to learn
My existing beliefs render me miserable and alienated.
In actuality, I do want someone to demonstrate to me in a way that convinces me. But I’ll concede and I’m very good at being convincing in my own defenses of my beliefs to myself.
I have to be ruthless in that way though. If I don’t push back as hard as possible, I also wont be convinced that I’m wrong then either.
In a sense, me declaring things is mostly in hopes for a refutation from you with solid reasoning or evidence (though evidence is hard to conjure for ideological arguments). If I ask you what you believe, you will just give me some 101 or something, which wont convince me of anything.
Also to be clear I was using a bit hyperbole with the r-slur statement. Honestly though I have a pretty internally consistent set of reasoning to justify my usage of it.
But whatever, I’m pretty burnt out on my search at this point. My previous post had me increasingly wondering if I just need to get off Lemmy/piefed/whatever. Every time I get into an argument on here it doesn’t serve any purpose but to put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day anyway. Just arguing with people not interested in challenging ideas or any ideological dissection. Its always an attack on personal virtue and that’s intellectually worthless.
Comrade, never entertain fascists.
My cue was “degenerate”
I was describing what other’s would describe me as.
In reality, no one should entertain people who value virtue over consequence. You would let the world burn as long as you can describe yourself as ethically pure.
more professional philosophers identify as deontologists than any other ethical system
Being a professional deontological philosopher doesn’t actually make an argument for deontology. Or that there more of those than others. That just means a lot of smart people are wrong.
there is a survey of philosophers that shows what I said is true
I wasn’t refuting that a lot of philosophers are deontologists. I was saying that’s irrelevant.
Brah, seriously? Come on now… Yuck…
I will mention in advance, I am completely dissolutioned 🇺🇲civs will do squat. They’ve proven it to me by not storming a deathcamp and demolishing it, and more recently, letting an antiwar vet get his arm broken, instead of chanting with him. Exactly like sheep too stunned to act, just watching an old man get amputated, and letting the Senator continue on.