• pet1t@piefed.social
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    3 days ago

    but, and I realise this might be a bit utopian, the more people (have to) use alternative modes of transportation, the more the need for better infrastructure will grow. domino effect and all that

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      3 days ago

      Oh definitely, but making those changes requires funding them. And that’s virtually impossible to get voters to approve in some places currently.

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        And that’s virtually impossible to get voters to approve in some places currently.

        Which is why the pain has to come first and therefore high oil prices are good.

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        They really don’t require a lot of money. In an emergency, you can create a bike lane with nothing but a few traffic cones. Then later you can spend the money and put in a permanent install.

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          3 days ago

          Much of Europe has the advantage here with simply existing before cars. Places that can’t fit car traffic, etc. so alternatives are either a requirement or already a higher priority than destroying existing infrastructure to make it fit.

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            3 days ago

            Much of Europe has the advantage here with simply existing before cars.

            First of all, American cities also existed before cars.

            Second, many European cities were rebuilt from rubble after WWII to accommodate cars.

            That factor is not nearly the excuse you think it is.

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            3 days ago

            plus, certain places - like the city where I live, for example - opt for infrastructure and traffic rules that favour cyclists and pedestrians. that also helps

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            Europe was demolished during the world wars. Both the US and Europe mostly consist of post-WW2 buildings. Europe just chose to build more sensibly.