• the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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    1 hour ago

    Nobodys talking about getting rid of social security. Stop moving the goal posts and stop defending objectively shitty people because they had some policies you liked.

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      1 hour ago

      YOU are the one who has dismissed FDRs ENTIRE legacy because of one mistake, which means that if you had your way, and FDR wasn’t president to intern the Japanese-Americans, you would be perfectly comfortable without Social Security or any of the workplace and employment benefits that YOU take for granted.

      So you are advocating for not interning the Japanese-Americans, in exchange for surrendering all of FDRs labor reforms.

      MOST Americans would not make that trade, including most Japanese-Americans.

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        54 minutes ago

        YOU are the one who has dismissed FDRs ENTIRE legacy because of one mistake,

        That “one mistake” being throwing 100,000 Americans into concentration camps. That’s at least 100,000 mistakes.

        you are advocating for not interning the Japanese-Americans, in exchange for surrendering all of FDRs labor reforms.

        I am not advocating for time travel. I am advocating removing a really bad person’s portrait from the dime. You do know that removing him from the dime wouldn’t automatically invalidate every law he passed, right?

        MOST Americans would not make that trade, including most Japanese-Americans.

        So what would you trade in Trump’s case? You’re clearly willing to negotiate on atrocities, what would he have to bribe you in order for you to ignore his?

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          47 minutes ago

          You really are BAD at this.

          So what would you trade in Trump’s case? You’re clearly willing to negotiate on atrocities, what would he have to bribe you in order for you to ignore his?

          The difference is that FDR’s presidency was basically one major improvement for American citizens after another, including winning the worst war in human history, and his positive improvements still provide daily significant protections for every American citizen to this very day. He actually has a positive legacy to BALANCE the Internment issue, which is basically his only misstep in 4 terms.

          Trump does not have ANY positive policies to mitigate the many, many criminal instances of treason, corruption, murder, pedophilia, and more that he has partaken in or facilitated. There will be no “trades” in Trump’s case, he will be lucky to avoid being the first president to be executed, which is what he deserves.

          You owe nearly everything positive in your life to FDR. Without the protections he put on workers, and regulations for employers, we would still have dangerous workplaces like the early 20th centuries, with long hours, low pay, and no benefits, which is exactly what MAGA wants to return to.

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            35 minutes ago

            Trump does not have ANY positive policies

            That’s why I’m asking you what it would take. It’s a hypothetical. You believe it’s possible to find a balance in evil people, so what would that balance be?

            If trump passed a really good national healthcare plan, would you forgive him for his concentration camps? How about a $30 minimum wage? UBI?

            What if he gave you, personally, $10 million dollars? Would that be a big enough bribe to spin your moral compass?

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              21 minutes ago

              Trump is a Corrupt, Pedophile, Rapist, Traitor. He could give me a billion dollars, and I’d still happily flip the switch on the electric chair, and go out and celebrate with a beer.

              You’re blowing nonsense, because you don’t have a clue how politics works, and that’s the problem with both sides - too many ignoramuses, who think their ignorant opinion should matter.

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                15 minutes ago

                I don’t care how politics works. I care that a man who sent 100,000 innocent people to concentration camps is being honored by having his face on a coin, and I care that I’m forced to share a society with people who believe it’s possible to forgive that behavior as long as they get something out of it.