A party that built its message around a strong, firm, and unequivocal case to end this war now would very suddenly draw attention to the undoubtedly dozens of congressional Democrats who would not echo this line. So what we get instead is limp process critiques, demanding pointless hearings, and bizarre attacks that Trump is not doing regime change fast enough. Polls repeatedly show the most common criticism of Democrats is not that they are too far left or too anti-war, but that they are too weak, that they don’t stand for anything.
Centering criticism of a deeply unpopular war on those carrying it out for not filling out the right paperwork or producing a satisfactory slideshow — rather than making clear, normative objections to a war of aggression — feeds directly into this perception. But perhaps it’s a perception Democratic leaders, and the pro-war, pro-Israel donors who fund their political careers, would prefer over the alternative.
Democrats say he has no plan because at a fundamental level, leadership supports most of the policies that Trump pursues.
Its not a question of the relevancy of Democrats or Trump’s ego: Its that both parties accept and operate to support the same corporate, zionist, fascist donor base.
Its why you weren’t permitted an anti-genocide candidate in 2024: Because it wasn’t in the donor classes interests. Its why they convinced Democrats to hold onto Biden as a candidate long as they did. Its party of why Harris was effectively “selected” as the nominee instead of running a real primary (for example, as Jon Stewart had suggested). Its why Harris ran on a campaign of “Nothing would fundamentally change”, while as an administration, having sold out both progressives and the BLM movement as a voting block in the period of 2021-2024. Democratic voters have been voting against their own interests, just like Republican voters, for decades.
There is no future or path to a better future through the traditional pathways to power in the Democratic party as it currently exists. Its structurally not possible. And this inability to adjust to an electorate with significantly different priorities than those who control power within the party is a constant headwind: By constantly being on the wrong sides of issues, like they are today, Democrats damage their ability to win elections.
For leadership, this isn’t a problem: They still get the policies they desire. For the electorate, or people running for office who want to change the Democratic party to one people actually want to vote for, this is a huge problem.
Maybe because we hate Iran just as much as the right
This is one of the more profoundly well-put summaries I’ve ever read on the Internet.
Can’t get around the paywall, but they’re doing that thing where they pretend Schumer/Jefferies are “the Democrats” again.
Schumer and Jefferies will never go against Israel.
But they’re the most loyal out of current Dems, not the norm
It’s time for them to be kicked put of their leadership positions. Not just primaried in the next election; sidelined in this session of Congress, right now.
I’ve seen “no plan” from other non-ghoulish Democrats too. Democrats who have also criticized the war on moral reasons, but “no plan” seems to be their most focused condemnation.
I think it’s because they think it’s the broadest message and likely to sap support. “Forever wars” are deeply unpopular, whereas just not killing innocent brown people gets “ok, but…”. That seems to be the stand out sentient on Iraq and we tortured people and caused hundreds of thousands of death.
If they’re not the norm, why are they voted into leadership positions?
The dems and the republicans are not the same party. But when it comes to American imperialism, they are both on the same side. Democrats and republicans are not the same. Regarding the imperialism, see for example how Biden and Obama handled Israel (60B in military aid). The democrats and republicans are not the same. See also Kamala Harris’ DNC speech where she promised she would ensure America has the most lethal fighting force in the world. Anyone who thinks the democrats are the peace party is a fool. The two parties are not the same though, there is more to policy than foreign policy.
Inb4 “Oh so you think they’re the same?”
Legally, the Dems hands are tied so all they can do is chirp. Regardless, the US is a two-headed beast and currently the beast is wearing it’s republican face.
Saying he has “no plan” is more effective because it attacks his self image.
Democrats calling to end the war would just be ignored.
We call this one “Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed”
Explain your end game.
You tell people not to vote for the Dems, then the GOP keeps getting elected.
It’s almost as if you want the GOP to win.
And if you’re trying to build a strong, independent Left party, it’s not working either.
Keep apologizing for the failure of Democrats and see how many wins you rack up with that approach.
Anti-republicans need to nominate better candidates.
The current Democrat party is controlled opposition and everyone who supports it is part of the problem.
My endgame is very simple: The extinction of the human race.
Terrible as they are, the GOP is too soft to see my endgame through. They want enslavement, not annihilation.
The end of the human species really isn’t as bad as it sounds.
K, you first.
I must be the last human to die.
And if you’re trying to build a strong, independent Left party, it’s not working either.
That’s not on the people who criticize the Democrats, but the people who defend them.
If it weren’t for people slavishly defending the Democrats no matter how grotesquely right-wing they get, they’d have no choice but to shift back towards the left. But with their dedicated “less bad is good” apologists, they can keep on shifting right just so long as they remain a little bit less fascist than the Republicans, which means they can keep on raking in the corporate soft money in exchange for fucking all of us.
And they will.
You’re right. It’s why a two party system just can’t turn out right.
So, no end game?
No actual plan?
Your questions have zero useful context. Are you asking about Trump’s end game? The Democrats’? Their critics’? Their apologists’? Mine?
It’s liberal morons who always defend the Democrat party. No matter what facts we give them, they’ll always make excuses for them & their politicians. It’s one of the reasons why they’re very despised by both leftists & conservatives & why I’ve become an Anarchist.
Exactly. We say end the war because there is no logic. No plan.
If we just say end the war with no reasons given, it’s not as strong of an argument.
With all the muslim-hate, we can’t hope to stop the war on moral reasons alone.
Making it about money is one of the better strategies to get Congress to stop it, (as shitty as it is, that’s the truth).
We say end the war
Yeah, but here’s the thing… Dem leadership is not saying they want to end the war.
Thanks for reading the article.
Democrats calling to end the war would just be ignored.
Also it would piss off their bosses, Israel and the military industrial complex
We can’t be giving the people what they want, now can we?
I mean, what does it look like to “end the war”. Even if they voted to end it, you can’t unilaterally stop it, the time to stop it was before Trump started the war, now it can only end through a deal with Iran.
Why isn’t there a deal yet anyway? After all Trump is the best dealmaker that has ever existed. He’s been making deals his whole life, and they were great, beautiful, amazing deals. The Iranians will really fall in line facing the best, amazing dealmaker in the world.
Five letters. Starts with AI. Isn’t an LLM.
Because they’re with Trump, they’re just acting as if not
The DNC is a Zioninst Supremacist organization with primary mandate to ensure Zionist first rule over the US. “Donor pressure” to not endorse Mamdami, or Chuck Schumer’s “my job is to gaslight the left into supporting Israel”, or every Presidential candidate since Carter having Zionist absolutist devotion is simple proof of bipartisan subjugation to Israel’s interests. DNC may well have preferred Trump in last election. They only solicited money instead of volunteers to help turnout. Even Bernie calling for a big tent party between genocidal Zionist supremacists and the genocide-concerned is an incoherent DNC first political position. Zionist/CIA controlled colonies are even weaker than DNC in opposing US/Zionist empire.
Poor relations with Iran, with only practical objective of destroying Iran rather than reforming it or befriending it, is part of US’s 45 year greater Israel project. The Great Satan is only a Satan because it is a pure demonic asshole towards Iran and any group that has received support from Iran, and extreme unchallenged propaganda from US, includes that the Lebanese barracks bombing was done by a Lebanese group while US ships were shelling Lebanon.
The bipartisan/media warmongering in service of Israel means no mainstream voice condemning Israel’s supremacist murderous/genocidal objectives. Only criticism of process and results is allowed, to avoid contemplating the fundamental evil of the US, its Zionist subservience, and the US’s impending collapse.
The path to saving the US through UBI, and liquid democracy, is a military coup, but long term political platform of exterminating Zionazi influence over the US by delegitimizing politicians with Zionist views, and zeroing out financially all oligarchy supporting them. Nationalizing oil and weapons and media not out of a Marxist/DEI motive, but from an anti-treason perspective.
Still, the process of achieving maximum evil (complete destruction of Iran instead of any reform/relations to make Iran more successful) had the significant miscalculation in assassinating Ayatolah (very old and ill), and school bombing (no DNC criticism of even this), to unite Iranians behind IRGC, even if IRGC was still going to mount same defense, to allow same destruction level. “Surprise attack” strategy was categorically absurd and increases certainty of failure. Begging allies for help 2 weeks after start is an impeachable offense of failure of duty to Zionist ambitions. Process needed to be a long propaganda and bribery campaign targeting axis of demonism to prepare for a united collapse and failure.
It’s because this message isn’t for the Dem base, it’s for the Republican base. They stand to lose more votes than Dems have to gain with an opposition message. That’s where the momentum is right now.
Because not only the donors but a big part of the Dem’s base, even here on lemmy that is an outlier, are pro-war.
Dems are in Israel’s pocket as well.
This ain’t a lie. Nope, uh uh, no way, or whatevs U say. It is a fact. Not a fringe thing at all really.
So, I get that you’re trying to be sarcastic or whatever, but you should know that AIPAC spending is public knowledge. So not only is it true that most dems are in Israel’s pocket, it is also very far from a fringe belief at this point.
Because Netanyahu or his AI clone have Jeffery’s original tapes of Donica
