GiveSendGo stands firmly behind its decision to host content related to Mangione.
“We believe every person is entitled to due process in a court of law — not in the court of public opinion,” Alex Shipley, GiveSendGo’s communications director, said in a statement. “To be absolutely clear, we do not support or condone vigilante justice. However, people have a constitutional right to a strong legal defense, and access to that defense should not be reserved only for the wealthy or those who fit a particular narrative. Our role is to give individuals and their communities the opportunity to fundraise for that defense, because true justice is served when everyone has equal access to a fair trial — regardless of the verdict.”
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I don’t really care. People should be allowed to crowdfund for legal defense fees. Taking away that ability would only further hurt poor people and enable the wealthy.
GoFundMe is scared. The other people need publicity so they’re willing to host it. I’m not a fan of that crowdfunding site, because of their religious background, but I’ll donate if this is the only outlet.
Classic case of lemmy liberals moving the goalpost. “They’re only doing good when they’re helping further my agenda” gtfoh with that stuff
As a leftist I agree.
Although I don’t agree with them fund raising for Rittenhouse, I respect their decision and I wouldn’t want them to fund for Luigi but not someone I don’t agree with. That’s a double standard that we call out the right for and I think we should practice what we preach.
Exactly the point succinctly put. You either accept fundraising for all types of criminals or reject it. There’s no in between. It is on the donor to determine whether they would donate or not.
To expand on my previous comment I have been appalled that the main stream media for the last 14 months has been justifying the slaughter of innocent Palestinians in the interest of self defence but the same people are outraged at the murder of one CEO.
The double standards are sickening and I think we should all treat others as we want to be treated and hold ourselves to the same accountability as we hold others.
They’re focusing too much on the payment site. Yes, they have fun raised some very questionable people, but I would also argue that Luigi is a very questionable person at this point.
The focus really needs to remain on the fundraising.
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Someone who knows enough about language to be a commissioned grammar cop should also know that “Liberals” ≠ the Left.
Liberals aren’t the ones decrying th hypocrisy of bad actors. That’s the Left.
An example of typical liberals is the .world admins and mods making it forbidden to discuss jury nullification and removing factual and relevant criticism of Dem leadership, labeling it “misinformation”.
First of all, grammar police ≠ political scientist. Secondly, you probably meant “…decrying the hypocrisy of ‘good faith actors’…”, and quite frankly I don’t care who’s doing the decrying. It’s shifting the goalpost to fit one’s agenda, and if i had to extend that argument to “The Left”, i would.
Furthermore, removal of discussions on jury nullification does not signify the actualisation of any political agenda (jury nullification is a democratic process in and of itself, so it would not serve the mods well if they WERE indeed furthering an agenda). The actions of the mods can simply be viewed as damage control if not anything else.
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You choose how much to pay them from a list. The lowest is $3. So, that’s the “chunk” it’s added on to the donation amount. The only thing the fundraiser loses is whatever the transaction fees are. Which is probably like 3% plus ~$0.25 each
You can actually write in a $0 tip to the platform
Oh, that’s nice. Hmm
So you don’t think he deserves the same quality of defense as Kyle Rittenhouse?
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Wait why didn’t a gofundme for Rittenhouse violate their ToS??
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Well fuck you GoFundMe.
“To be absolutely clear, ***^we are legally required to say that *** we do not support or condone vigilante justice.”
FTFY
Also fuck you GiveSendGo, even if in this case they’re being kind of cool. Their normal clientele are neo nazis and alt right Conservatives [wikipedia]
Was just going to say that often, the “Free Speech” platforms tend to be geared to being able to freely hate on people.
yeah! it’s horrible that “free speech” became code for freedom from social consequences of speech ಠ_ಠ
Previously, when the chance that most of those fundraiser listings were made by scammers, I wasn’t too concerned with them being removed.
Now that he has a lawyer, surely there’ll be an official listing that will remain. /s
I hope givesendgo has increased their security since the last time i heard any mention of them…
During the covid convoy in Canada.
I still have that donor list CSV file around here somewhere.
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Because when people see how much he can fundraise, they might be more willing to do it themselves.
You too can invest in a brighter future
I’m investigating some new lighting for my home. I just want to be sure I install it correctly. I don’t want to burn my house down by improperly wiring. I’m also seeing how other people have installed new lights, so I can learn from their successes and mistakes. It’s all very new to me. I didn’t grow up in a house of electricians. But I do know it’s important to measure twice and cut once… so to speak.
a millionaire
Citation needed.
I’ve been waiting for which kind of angle they will take to attack Luigi’s character to get people to change their mind about him.
It appears that they are going with the “but he was rich” strategy in hopes that would somehow turn people against him. Comment sections will probably be flooded with this shit.
Yeah. Hell, even if he IS extremely rich and privileged, that just makes him the GOOD kind of class traitor: the kind with enough privilege to not HAVE to care, but also enough empathy and desire for justice to care anyway.
Wealthy class traitors should be welcomed with open arms.
It’s unclear so far, how much he specifically has.
His family however, is quite wealthy.His family is actually very rich but I’d still donate as a statement (if it wasn’t on GiveSendGo)
If I was Aaron Schwartz’d, I’m certain my family would read the headlines on Fox News and be immediately convinced that I am somehow a bad person and deserve to be in prison as punishment
Just because your parents have lots of money, doesn’t mean it will go to your defense fund.
Because a large amount of people have convinced themselves that he’s a working class hero, when realistically he was well on track to become exactly the sort of corpo techbro they despise.
You have nothing but your bias to prove that.
I’m not sure what bias you think I have here. He’s got a rather extensive and public social media presence, much of which has been backed up and preserved and is accessible for anybody interested to review. His personal interests, Ivy League education, past experiences, are all very well known at this point. Not to mention his family’s significant wealth; his uncle owns a country club and he was set to receive a $100M inheritance from his grandmother.
It’s really hard to see him as anything other than a typical, affluent New England yuppie who lost his marbles.
Just because a person has rich relatives, doesn’t mean they’re a bad person. Just because they were sent to Ivy League schools doesn’t make them a bad person.
What past experience and actions on his social media have lead you to think this? Please be specific.
Because you would think if he was benefiting so much from all that, he would be swimming in the koolaid, yet it appears he went to great lengths to deliver a message that is very different from that of a tech bro.
Your opinions just don’t add up to me. I think you see all rich kids as people to hate, and find ways to hate them.
Two comp sci degrees from an Ivy League school, $1B+ family wealth, living comfortably in one of the most expensive cities in Hawaii while still being able to afford unplanned and whimsical backpacking treks across Asia to do a little soul-searching. If he hadn’t injured himself surfing, he’d likely be halfway through his first memecoin rug-pull right now, and we all know it.
I get that I’m in the minority here, and I’m fine with that. As someone with their own problems with the healthcare system, I sympathize with his pain and his anger. But I don’t see a hero in Mangione, I just see an incredibly privileged kid who exploited more opportunities than most of us will ever see in our lifetimes and threw it all away to kill one person without even resulting in a single policy change. It just seems gross to me, to celebrate this depressing exercise of American futility.
Okay I still just see you complaining about him being given the options you didn’t have. Not him doing anything specific to earn your hatred.
I’d argue he’s done more to help you than you’ve done to help yourself… so, maybe… consider giving him a little more credit?
Look, I get it. I grew up in a welfare home. I paid my way through college and I really don’t have anything substantial to show for it other than a somewhat okay savings account. I very much envy the people who have so many options and would never know the crippling anxiety of “how can I pay my rent this month” or “It’s a real possibility I could end up on the street if I make just a few bad choices” I hear you so much. But just for this one person… go easy on him for now! Let him earn that hate. He just did all of us a really big favor. There is a very real possibility that if he is found not guilty, he gets on the bull horn and makes a total ass out of himself.
I’d argue he’s done more to help you than you’ve done to help yourself
What an almost insultingly absurd thing to say. He’s done nothing for any of us. Killing Thompson didn’t fix a single problem for anyone. Nobody’s claim got approved over this. All he accomplished was giving a bunch of people a justice boner.
He is rich and still (allegedly) did one of the best things he could have done for the working class. Kropotkin was a prince until he renounced to that title. Those are the kind of class traitors we should encourage.
Maybe he was on track for that or maybe he would have taken a different path, we don’t actually know. But it doesn’t matter because what did happen is he became radicalized against corporations (or at least corporate healthcare) and took action. What he did and what he believes now are far more important than who else he could have become.
Nah screw that. The governor of New York should give him a full pardon. He did nothing wrong. He’s a latter-day John Brown.
Right, except he didn’t do that, did he.
I don’t care if he’s an extraterrestrial or a gerbil, eating the rich is awesome.
And tbh, a gerbil eating the rich would be adorable 😁🥰
