As you may know, I moved to using my blahaj.zone account almost exclusively, as I kinda disliked the vibe I was getting from .world. At the same time, I also want to gage the feelings people have about the migration. Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world? Are you happy with the change? I want to hear from you:
the whole thing was bizarre and unnecessary! kind of casted a lot of doubt on the integrity mod team for me. the onehundredninetysix community has been pretty cool and I’ll keep sending posts their way
196 moderation is just so dramatic. some creature likes to fuck dragons, a different user hates dragon fuckers, the whole sub goes on defense about why fucking dragons is or isn’t acceptable, and now that’s the content for a solid week.
but yeah, i get it: it’s a special place and special places require care to keep them special. still, any time there’s the slightest drama i have to mute that whole sub for a week if i don’t want to be dragged into it. i wish i didn’t have to: i wish we could magically have the special place without the drama.
anyway no: i’m not going to lemmy.world. migrating instances is largely orthogonal to my (minor) qualms with that community, and 50% of my interactions with lemmy.world have resulted in me blocking one of their users: there’s just way too much toxicity over there. i’ll hang around the new onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone for a bit and just spend more time in whichever of the two has better vibes.
Having only found out about it from this thread i feel i can give a perfectly authoritative and unwaveringly confident answer: eh. But seriously, I’m cool if they just want to leave blahaj, but going to world? Just why? To to literally anywhere else.
The .world MUST grow! /j
idk i’m still wary because of a couple of instances of blahaj’s admin banning and defederating based on vibes, that kind of shit is what brought me to self-host my own fedi instance.
so i can kinda understand the 196 mods. but moving to lemmy.world? big oof.
I do not get the rational behind it, i get what they said, but it doesn’t clear anything up because it’s so vague.
I’m not convinced of the necessity of the move and I’m not really attached in anyway to the mod team, not saying I don’t appreciate the work they’ve done, I just have no strong attachment to them being in charge of moderation, so why would I pick up and fallow them? There’s another 196 on here now so no reason to go fallow them to .world.
Also, I’m hesitant to see large communities get concentrated on .world, it’s already large and making it larger seems risky, like putting too many eggs in one basket. If something happens to it and a lot of important communities are based there, then that kind of puts a huge gaping hole in lemmy as a whole. Better to have things distributed more evenly across other instances for the sake of resiliency.
Already blocked lemmy.world’s 196. Sad to see Moss make 196 jump ship, but if what’s important to Moss is visibility to as many instances as possible at the expense of user experience, then I don’t think we need that community here anyway. We can always revive ours, or make a new one c:
big sad feels ;(
i will not join the 196 on the not blahaj zone! GRRRR >:3
i wan the 196 to be all local and comfy. i wan it to feel like home, with all u cuties and non-cuties-but-still-amazing-peeps in it!
i don wan the 196 to be on generic world instance. will join if there be a local 196 blahaj version!
imagine the COMFY FEELS knowing that U PEEPS made the funi im looking at!! <3
It makes me so sad, and the bottom image is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. It sucks that they made this decision without involving the community at all, and even though they say they’re on good terms with Ada, some of the comment chains in the announcement post make me think that there’s some bitterness on the mods’ part. Ada has always been so nice and patient, even when 196 clogged up Blahaj’s entire frontpage, or when it didn’t have enough mods to handle a growing community. And if the mods don’t like how an instance is run, what gives them the right to just take the entire community and move it somewhere else?
I came to Lemmy when Reddit committed to their API nonsense, and it always had this promise of being better than Reddit. Decentralisation was a big part of that promise. Moving 196 to the largest (I think?) Lemmy instance is the opposite of that. Blahaj feels small, local, cosy, and welcoming, like small concerts in some guy’s basement. 196 always had the same vibes, and the move to .world will probably change that. That scares me because I really liked these vibes.
idk, I’m just rambling and none of it makes a whole lot of sense. I think I’ll take a break for a few days, wait for whatever is gonna happen next, check out the new 196 on .world in a while, and maybe the old 196 is gonna come back somehow.
How do I feel about? I fucking hate it. The last thing that any of the Fediverse needs is more centralization. @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone should take immediate action and demod those that are leaving. The fact is that with the current subscribers count, if a new mod team is installed, there could be no chance of the .world community ever gaining traction. I am willing to spearhead this, but I will need help.
well, Ada just kicking them out for wanting to leave would also be a very bad move XP
tho I guess we should ask Ada if we can assign new mods to the 196 blahaj community since basically they’ve abandoned it and there’s no reason to keep it locked, but making a new one would be fine too
I imagine ada would not try and force the mods of 196 to stay or anything, if the mods of 196 think blahaj.zone isn’t a good fit for them then they have every right to leave our community, however I think it’s clear the community does not agree with the mods and think 196 is a net positive for blahaj.zone, so reclaiming 196 is a potential option, but in the interest of being amicable and not cause tensions with those who wish to leave peacefully, maybe making a new community on blahaj.zone would be better? possibly a 197?
yeh I said the same on another comment in this post X3 would u also be a mod if that was done? cuz thatd make 4 of us so far from what Ive seen :3 would be nice to have 8 like the old mod team I guess
I am interested, dm me or hit me up on matrix there’s info in my about me
seems like someone was a few minutes faster to make the community lol X3 I pinged u on the new 196 :3
I am also up for moderating!
someone else made a new community! I pinged u there :3
It’s kinda don’t let the door hit you on the way out kind of vibes if I were in Ada’s shoes.
I don’t see why they can’t just start a new knock off 196 on world and leave the original alone and let someone else mod it.
cuz then no one would use it, and they didnt tell anyone cuz “if I asked u would have said no” so they just did it and hoped people would just be pissy for a day and then be fine with it :P
I’m this close to blocking world at the instance level and I know many others on lemmy are as well. They’re fucking stupid and selfish self important mods. Peak Reddit behavior.
yeh same, and the stupidest comments I see on lemmy r like 90% of the time from .world XP
i’ll continue to browse the one here, and i’ll refuse to put foot on l.w. That’s an incredibly wrong move.
Very unhappy with the change, I probably won’t go to the .world community and expect/hope that someone will just recreate 196 on Blåhaj.
Every interaction I’ve had with .world mods has rubbed me the wrong way, they don’t take criticism well and are way to keen to appeal to centrist bullshit and shitty lib takes. Blåhaj is my favourite space on the internet at the moment because of the way Ada manages things, I feel safe here. That the 196 mods have a problem with that sends a pretty concerning message imo.
yep. the only thing i would add is that theres already too much content on .world. we need to spread content out horizontally instead of just centralizing it on the biggest instance.
Excellent point
I feel like im missing something here; i though 196 was already part of blahaj.zone? Is this more drama from pug?Oh fuck all of this nonsense. They can try to build their own 196 (with blackjack and hookers) elsewhere if they want, why tf are they being allowed to tank the existing 196!?
All/most of the mods seemed onboard with it, so the community would need to find new mods if it were to remain open. I would be willing to help mod such a com, but I’m not willing to spearhead it. I don’t want to stretch myself thin.
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
The mistake the mods made was assuming the queer culture of 196 would transfer over to .world. I highly doubt this will happen after folks got used to blahaj.zone for over a year. Many queer users won’t like the new 196, and as new users join, blahaj.zone users will leave. Given the reactions here, I doubt they can do much now to stop that from happening.
This is a good theory, the perp who had a bitch fit over neopronouns posted to world196 shortly after world196 was relaunched, hmmmmmmmmmp
Also I’d love a blahaj 196 resurgence but I’m too much gremlin to help mod srry :(
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
Interesting theory
You know whats interesting with all this is while Ada is getting brought up a lot in contrast to the 196 mods, I actually think there’s a mod on fedi that gives an example of how to handle this kind of thing better. Db0 is not perfect per se because no one is, but I can’t think of a more transparent mod off the top of my head (though Beehaws has defederated a few larger instances where they may be). When he(?) wants to do something he just asks his users how they feel. He writes a lot of blogs about whats happening in his community and since he has a hand developing some of Lemmy’s tech hes sure to let you know if a user-affecting change is coming. He’s not perfect but he’s got what I would dub integrity. This might be putting it on thick but I myself have modded a very small (low dozens) community and I’ve felt the burn of a lack of communication that moss is feeling now and its avoidable. Db0 does get into trouble with his users, but clearly he’s actually in it for them.
Aw! These kind of comments make it all worth it!
In case you’re curious, the way I usually go about things, is that I want my actions to signal that I want my users to not only feel protected by me (and the other instance admins) but also protected from me. It’s why I always default to the strongest copyleft licenses for my work, and why I keep asking peeps what they think about potential decisions.
I feel a lot of the time people get in the mindset that taking top-down decisions “for the good of the community” cuts away a lot of the red tape and keeps things moving quickly. This is especially true in auth-left instances. And while that can be quite true when one is making decisions that happen to agree with their communities, eventually, everyone makes one that doesn’t. The problem when you’re used to taking decisions top down because “you know better”, you start seeing any dissent as haters or reactionaries (depending on your perspective), and by the time one realizes that,no, actually this is a popular sentiment, you have a shitstorm on your hands.
Db0 and I got into a personal disagreement that was vaguely related to the instance I’m on (theirs) and with other mods/admins it probably would of led to me immediately being kicked out rather than just an agree to disagree resolution.
I’m happy on that instance so far. Much better than world.
What happened? I though it was a good place and also I don’t .world is fit for 196.
Same here - if anyone has a breakdown of what these ‘moderatorial and ideological differences’ are that are part of how this is being justified, that would be awesome.
Hell, even just examples of where the clashes were would help me out a lot.
Edit: To those seeing this comment who are also out of the loop, recommend starting here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713
Something about 196 being on a non-queer instance feels wrong. I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s because there are a lot of queer-positive posts on 196? Not sure. Meh, whatever. I think I have a vague idea of why they’re moving away and quite honestly, if they want to bend to people wanting to stir shit, then maybe we’re better off without them.
(Iirc the gist of it is that there was a troll who claimed to be “dragon gender” or something (which included that drag’s pronouns were “drag”). Drag said a lot of nasty shit, stirred up drama, etc. People decided that was a good excuse to misgender drag and become the arbiters of what a “proper gender” is. People misgendering drag got banned, then got pissy and cried about it. In the meantime, drag was also banned at that point, it was mainly people stirring shit at that point. I’m pretty sure 196 is moving away from blähaj.zone because afaik Ada takes a zero tolerance stance on intentionally misgendering people; regardless of whether or not someone’s a troll.)
Quite honestly I’m kinda at the point where I’m considering quitting Lemmy entirely. Between the drama, doomposting, trolls and increase in general dickishness, it’s honestly getting really bad for my mental health.
Regarding 196: has it been different on Lemmy vs how it was on reddit? I’m on beehaw so I don’t see .world posts or communities, but at least on reddit I saw a bunch of edgy shit being posted when I still used the site a few years back
Regarding Dragon rider: drag uses drag/drag pronouns iirc and has expressed previously that they/them pronouns aren’t suitable for drag, so you may want to edit your wording just a tad. Still haven’t been able to figure out if drag is a troll or not, but as you say even if drag is a troll drag still has a right to identity. If Ada’s brilliant stance is why 196 moved, good riddance IMHO
Regarding your mental health: perhaps its worth blocking the communities or users that are bringing the majority of the drama/doomposting/etc? I absolutely empathise with the drain on mental health that can be, and I’ve been very very liberal with the block feature for exactly that reason. Its totally worthwhile to curate the space you inhabit online. I hope, whatever path forward you take, that you’re able to find yourself feeling better and better.
Tbh theres been some real nasty/sketchy crap from Drag (multiple account harassment), id lean towards troll myself.
Yeah thats fair. I only see what drag posts on instances I’m federated with/don’t have blocked, which I guess may be a small slice of the total
Regarding 196:
Dunno, didn’t really use it on reddit tbh. That’s why I associate it strongly with blahaj.zone.
Regarding Dragon rider:
Sigh You’re right, I fixed it. In my defense, I was actually trying to avoid directly referencing drag and drag’s pronouns not because I think drag is invalid but because I didn’t want to distract from the fact that people were intentionally misgendering drag because they believed drag’s gender/pronouns were invalid and that drag’s dickish behavior excused them from having to use drag’s pronouns. I was concerned that using drag’s neopronouns would cause people to have a knee-jerk reaction, which was why I was referring to drag as “the troll”.
Regarding your mental health:
Honestly, that’d kinda kill half the reason I use Lemmy: as a news aggregate. Furthermore, people here have too much time on their hands and find drama wherever they can. I used to think blåhaj.zone would be fairly free from drama in a generally leftist space; after all leftists should understand that queer instances and communities are generally best left to queer people, right? Yet that hasn’t stopped people from trying to start drama regarding the main queer instance.
Mm, totally see what you were going for with the pronouns. I think as soon as you mentioned “dragon” the ship had likely sailed for most of “suspension of knowledge of the individual in question”
I understand the dilemma regarding reducing the amount/variety of content you are served :/ to be honest, this is one of the main reasons I enjoy Beehaw so much, I used to be on a different instance and moved here because they federate with mostly high quality instances and the local content is of very high standard. The mods are also very good with cleaning up harmful or unsuitable content/posts/comments/users whilst not (to my mind) silencing differing opinions (when the opinions in question are not the aforementioned harmful content). I get my news feed, with much less… Mental drain
Do what is best for you, but it is my favourite social media. The best of the bad. Apart from random forums, the rest is just so infuriating to me.
Wait, this is over friggen redacted by Cracks???
my head hurts.
Edit: Not sure it’s wise or fair to call out the user specifically at this stage, so I removed that. If you read Mossy’s comment and have been on 196 for any amount of time, you’ll know. And it would be more about reactions to them, anyway.
Oh the people bent out of shape over it are relentless. They’ve been beating the wardrums since one of them got a timeout a while ago.
hey there, just weighing in. Neopronouns were not a factor in our decision. In addition, malicious misgendering has always been something that constitutes a removal or ban. this choice was in no way and attempt to reduce the queerness of 196
Random opinion: It would be wise to edit the post in LBZ 196, or make a new pinned comment, describing the rationale re: differences in moderation approaches more directly (at minimum, see the thread).
People are jumping right to other, less nuanced takes of the situation. I did too before digging deeper - the disagreements are subtler than what folks think they are right now.
I still think you and your team are making a mistake overall, but that’s beside the point. As you obviously know, people are pissed and the vague description doesn’t help at all.
Do with this as you will. Sincerely, best of luck - this is probably a rough time for you folks too, and I know you’re just people doing what you think is best.
Would you perhaps like to expand on that? Right now it appears hot on the tail of the dragon drama, which, considering from what I saw the majority of it revolved around people trying to misgender drag or ridicule drag’s identity, leads me to the conclusion that you didn’t like how Ada handled it and implies you yourselves believe that it’s alright to misgender someone if you believe their gender is just another troll.
Drag was banned for encouraging suicide and violence from trans people (multiple times), and for an egregious level of harassment of another user with alt accounts. We didn’t have any issues with their pronouns.
I believe the post Ada made was directed at the members of the community who were criticizing drag’s pronouns, but I think to a lot of people it came across as if she were addressing the ban. They simply had nothing to do with each other.
Respectfully, get bent
I am in the process of switching my account from world to blahaj. So I’m not particularly happy about this change.
I’ll use the new 196 as a passive viewer, but I’m unlikely to post or comment after this change.
