• Deceptichum@quokk.au
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    Ethno-nationalism is not good.

    Colonialism is not good.

    Israel is not good. Israel threatens the wellbeing of Jewish people world wide with its act of trying to conflate Israel and Judaism.

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        Not by means of illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing, no.

        A tip: Any such argument that could be (and usually has been) used to defend Nazi Germany in the same fashion is not a great place to start.

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        There are thousands and thousands of ethnic groups in the world and only 195 countries.

        Knock it off with this racist crap.

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          Self determination is in the UN Charter and part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Are these racist?

          Self determination means the peoples can decide themselves under what kind of government or state they live.

          Was the British and Spanish colonial empire anti racist because it ruled over many ethnicities?

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            … That does not mean every ethnicity gets its own nation, it means people are not slaves and have choice in their lives.

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        Do you think every other ethnic group has self determination? The USA is filled with the remnants of tribes that fought the US government and lost their lands. Should they be given those lands back? Are you going to push for all lands to be given back to the ethnic group that held them thousands of years ago or just the one that applies to your interests?

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          It’s part of the UN Charter and the International Declaration of Human rights and a well established right in international law.

          Native American peoples deserve self determination and reparations for sure.

          for all lands to be given back to the ethnic group that held them thousands of years ago

          Not every group, because they usually don’t have such a strong cultural connection to some ancient lands anymore. The Jewish people had been a homeless and oppressed minority for centuries. Fleeing and founding their own state in their ancient homeland was the only way to ensure their own survival. Israel is a country of refugees, who had nowhere else to go. I don’t know of another people with a comparable history.

          Roma (gypsies) in Europe don’t have such a connection to their ancient homeland for example. I don’t know enough about North American natives to have an informed opinion on it. I know that many tribes were displaced more than once.

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            It isn’t in the Declaration of Human Rights.

            Not every group has connection to the land? Are you dead certain this is the pathway you want to go here? You know that this is at the very least extremely uncomfortable of a suggestion, completely contradicts your initial claim that only Jewish people don’t get a homeland, and completely ignores the connection to the people actually living there at the time, right?

            Many minority groups get oppressed throughout history. You should really learn more about other people if you think this is unique to Jewish people. I would start by looking at the Roma peoples of Europe.