Dude does not understand how german elections work lmao. Nobody won that election, the conservatives got 28% of the vote. There will be at least a 3 party coalition and things could become pretty complicated.
I’m not usually one to agree with trump, but doubling your representation in a single election is a win. An incredibly concerning win, in this case. It bodes poorly.
It’s a win for the party, but a win for the party is different from winning the election.
In the last Australian federal election, the Greens quadrupled their number of seats. It was absolutely a huge win for the Greens. But going from 0.7% of seats to 2.6% cannot mean you “won” the election. (Also…wow…that shows just how gross single winner elections are. Even with preferential voting. When a party that consistently gets over 10% of the votes is able to win less than 3% of seats and call that a huge win. Proportional systems like Germany’s MMP are amazing!)
Whether you want to say the CDU/CSU “won” the German election, IMO, depends less on how their vote changed relative to the last election, and more on whether you want to say the party that ends up selecting the Chancellor “won” an election, even if they need to go into a three party coalition. My personal take is that yes, it’s not unreasonable to say they won.
The (almost extremist) “conservatives” gained like 3 percent points or something since the last election. Plus, they have been in the government for like 80% of the time since WW2. Trump is soooo anti establishment but these guys ARE the most establishment anyone in Germany could be. They are not the solution to people’s problems, they are the ones who caused many of the problems in Germany.
Germans are very much like Americans, they like to Moralize and act like they got their shit together, and pretend like they’re all enlightened, but their people are just as fucked up as Americans sometimes.
Its 20% of us, not 48%.
their people are just as fucked up as Americans sometimes.
I’m tempted to respond with a picture of Nicholas Cage, but then I think about how Holocaust denial is increasing…
AfD (Conservatives Trump was looking for) doubled their vote, but won’t be part of government. Party with the most votes went from 23% to 28%.
Now I’m confused, afd won’t be part of the German government? Why is that?
In parliamentary democracies, the “government” is the term used for the ruling party or coalition. Even more specifically, it’s used for the Ministers. It’s a more specific term than just referring to all elected representatives sitting in the parliament (the Bundestag, in the case of Germany, or maybe the Bundestag & Bundesrat). Comparing it to the American system, “government” is somewhat analogous to the “executive”—the President and Cabinet Secretaries—except that it’s a fuzzy term and can also mean the non-ministerial members of parliament who are allied with the ministers.
So the AfD will not be a part of the Government because both the CDU/CSU and SPD have placed a cordon sanitaire around the AfD. They refuse to work with them because they view them as dangerous extremists. It would be theoretically possible for the CDU/CSU to break that cordon and form a government between just their party and the AfD, or they can form a traffic light coalition with the SPD and Green party. The latter seems more likely, given recent German political history.
Cause they can’t find common ground and form alliances with other parties, to form a majority.
At least that is how I understood it.
Dude because they’re literal Nazis
Because the actual party with the most votes categorically refused to work with them. Going inti a coalitiin with the 3rd placed SPD will still guarantee the CDU a majority in the Bundestag.
can you explain your reasoning here?
The context comment makes much more sense, that this is not a conservative win, and Trump is too dumb to realize that that.
Imagine that your place of work, a sizable but far from monopolistic company, suddenly finds itself with twice the clientele. You now service 20% of the market where before you serviced only 10. How might your boss describe that situation? Because mine would call it a win, with very little coaxing.
so if the situation was entirely different, with different aims, one could draw a different conclusion?
surrre.
I understand that you don’t want to panic about this, and you don’t need to. I have more than enough panic to cover for you. Gotchu, babycakes
yeah, I’ll definitely leave the unnecessary panicking to you guys. not my jam.
They didnt double. Olaf Scholz wasnt elected because he was liked. He and SPD last time got the most votes because media slammed against greens, and the CDU/CSU lies and corruption was layed open. Now people forgot who governed the most time and voted union again
This cannot be said enough to Anglosphericals, even the well-informed ones sometimes don’t get it. Under proportional representation, you almost never “win” an election and that’s the point.
It’s a classic misunderstanding between two political different cultures. I remember once a German state election, I think it was Baden-Würtemberg, where the first-placed party had no friends so the parties #2 and #3 (the Greens were one) formed the government. The Anglo press just did not get it - a “the losers ganged up on the winners”! How could Germans possibly accept this travesty of democracy??! But the second and third parties agreed on more things, and between them they had far more votes! It was arguably more democratic than the outcome of a classic first-past-the-post election in Britain or the USA.
This silly obsession with winners and losers was why the Tories dominated 20th-century British politics even though Labour and the Liberals often had more support between them. It’s arguably what sunk the UK LibDems’ referendum on electoral reform under the Cameron government. And then a few years later Brexit got 51.9%, which for Brits was obviously a resounding victory so most of the the other 48.1% didn’t even complain about literally losing their EU citizenship. The winner-loser culture goes deep for Anglos but it doesn’t always serve them well.
Nah, they won. And there will probably be a Union-SPD or Union-AfD coalition.
I’ve also read that the other parties have stated that they will not form a coalition with th AfD, so Trump’s friends will not have a seat at the table.
Don’t kid yourself, the future chancellor and former blackrock executive is very well connected with the capital.
Yeah, well Merz is a special kind of person so I wouldn’t hold my breath for that promise “not to form a coalition” with the AfD. Let’s see what the next weeks bring.
Merz already tried to form a majority for a vote in the parliament with the AfD, just a few weeks ago. There might not be a coalition, but I expect them working together.
They’ll still have way too many in parliament though. :(
GOOD TO SEE HE HAS NOW PICKED UP OLD MAN CAPS LOCK SYNDROME
Not really new, he’s always done it often
I recall times on the web that you got moderated for this. There is live footage of him: https://youtu.be/q8SWMAQYQf0
I just assumed he was yelling it over the sound of a helicopter as usual
Who is the “GENTLEMAN NAMED DONALD J. TRUMP”? I know of no such person. I know who Donald J. Trump is, but he is most certainly not a “gentleman” by any definition I’m familiar with.
Tell me you dont know shit about the german voting system without telling me you dont know shit about the german voting system.
Do not discredit our supreme leader. His knowledge of the German voting system is equally refined as all his other knowledge.
so rich and can’t afford a keyboard with a working capslock key
My elderly relatives type like that when they want to make sure people know they’re very serious people with important opinions about the price of milk and Barack Obama being a secret homosexual.
Looks like you are missing a few keys yourself, notably the shift an period key.
Notice how Trump considers America to be under him.
Not just in this text, but in all of his actions as well. He has no intention to be a responsible leader, he intends to rule, and to do so with impunity.
“L’État, c’est moi!”
Unfortunately, our projected future chancellor is very similar to Trump in certain aspects, especially rhetorics and spitting bullshit, then being utterly incompetent when asked specifics.
Who, Widrich Schmerz?
Fritz von Papen.
Trump you arent conservative Also you clearly dont understand how we do governments over here
He doesn’t understand how they do government in America, and he’s in charge of it.
Americans don’t know any better, tbh
We educated them wrong, as a joke
Squeaky shoe noises
THATS A LOT OF NUTS
Like every other narcissist, he makes good news from others all about him. He’s so insecure, he can’t be anywhere but in the spotlight.
You’re so vain, you probably think this election’s about you, you’re so vain.
What are the typical beliefs of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) / Christian Social Union (CSU)?
Ironically, independence from the US:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-friedrich-merz-urges-independence-from-us/live-71700729
I’m not German and don’t have any special insight into German politics, but until someone that knows better comes along I can at least offer that it’s Angela Merkel’s old party. Unless something has shifted drastically, it’s the Germany we’ve known for most of the past twenty years
Something has shifted quite dramatically. Under Merz, the C*U has shifted to the right, almost copying the extreme right AfD’s program in certain points, became very populist. A standstill like during the Merkel years could be a best case scenario atm.
No, the CDU didn’t shift, they put someone from a different wing in the top position. I guess the long and short of it that neither Günther or Wüst were interested in a show-off with Merz who had bees up his arse ever after Merkel quit, given that she previously ousted him from the candidacy position. They’re both perfectly comfortable ruling their respective states, why bother, if Merz goes too far for their liking they’re still in a position to but brakes on that.
Like, the CDU polls at around 40% in SH state elections, while the federal result is 27.6%. Everyone knows the CDU left wing has more pull than the right, they’re letting Merz be Merz.
Yes, they did shift. Their program is far more right-wing than a few years ago, the rhetorics, their propositions, are far closer to the AfD than even under Laschet.
Who is “they”, here. Point out people who have shifted.
The CDU as a party, as it states their goals inntheir program, the politicians their base elects as their leaders and speakers and the rhetorics that are popular.
I addressed that, there’s a reason I posted poll numbers and compared them to election results. Merz has nothing on Günther when it comes to pulling votes, if he (or Wüst) had ran for Merz’ office they’d very likely have won. And they would have run, had Merz been Gauland, or one of the Werteunion guys.
Noone wanted to oppose Merz because he’s not too far right to be intolerable, also, it’s his turn. The CDU’s right and left wing have co-existed since the end of the war nothing about this is new and there’s whole states to keep Merz in check. We’re getting a bit of controlled CSU at the federal level.
Also the migration debate is all but guaranteed to vanish as soon as people start talking about getting nukes.
I’m sure they’re just “letting” the right wing take control as the world descends into fascism and “centrists” ally with fascists all over.
You can find their agenda for this election on their website.
Social market capitalism is a core tenet. That means free enterprise and corporation friendly policies, while also taking care of the unemployed, health insurance, and so on. Traditional family values and German national identity are important. Anti drug, but pro choice. Strict on crime and public order. Belief in meritocracy, compromise, and pragmatism. Sceptical regarding immigration. Pro EU, pro NATO, pro USA.
Similar to a center right democrat in the US, except with more conservative ideas regarding immigration and multiculturalism.
They are as Christian as the Evangelical Right in the USA.
Jokes on him. What he sees as German conservatives is mostly in line with US Democrats. The German version of the Republicans are the AfD, the Nazi party.
I was under the impression the CDU had worse social stances than dems except on immigration where they shockingly actually act like Christians are supposed to (that part may have just been a merkel thing)
Merkel time is over. The current CDU leader is a man owned by the chemical industry. The “C” is ancient history. The whole political spectrum in the US is so far right, a Republican party would end up under the feds scrutiny here, just like the AfD is.
Actually, a German “Republican party” was declared illegal a few years ago, and you need shitloads of evidence to do something like in Germany.
Reminder that even the lutheran-calvinist church (aka the protestant chruch) and catholic church spoke out against the CDU/CSU for their migration and refugee stands. The CDU/CSU responded by calling both “Left-Green siffed” and many quit the church
The current CDU leader is a man owned by the chemical industry.
Lol and somebody tried to argue with me that germany is not an oligarchy and there are no clans
I wonder how energy intensive chemical industry really is and what their main energy input would be
Yea people think he means CDU but given he is literally a fascist demented grandpa it is more likely that he is either confusing CDU with AfD or thinks that AfD has won because of all the ruckus going on
why is there a trump tweet on my all, better block this community
It’s actually a “Truth”
Used to be that Truth Social was the evil Twitter, but now it’s just an evil Twitter.
Uhh… it’s he president of Germany, now, too? /s, obvi
