If you ask me, I’m upset no one picked up that this consideration was sexist and racist, although it is indeed the best choice for her to win, which reflects how bad US can’t get over race and gender.

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      Yes, he was the first orange person to be hired as president. He was hired despite Hillary getting more votes because he was the DEI candidate.

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    it’s a catch 22 situation where you can’t have two minority picks because ostensibly, that would be DEI, but specifically picking a white guy for DEI is ostensibly not DEI because you’re picking the best candidate for the role.

    i don’t really think it’s any deeper than the fact that tim walz was literally the perfect pick, he just happens to be white. I’m not sure you would be able to find an equally beloved and respected pick other than him.

    like, just so we’re on the same page here, it’s not a bad thing that she picked a white guy, it quite literally broadens and diversifies her running, i believe she also wants to appoint more diverse office candidates as well, so we’ll probably see less white people there inevitably.

    at the end of the day, it is what it is. You push for diversity in picking someone like Kamala, you also have to do the same thing for white people as well. It’s all strategic at the end of the day, they wouldn’t have done it if it didn’t make any sense.

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      it’s a catch 22 situation where you can’t have two minority picks because ostensibly, that would be DEI, but specifically picking a white guy for DEI is ostensibly not DEI because you’re picking the best candidate for the role.

      But that is basically where everything is wrong with America. America is obsessed with gender and race

      The fact that gender or race play any factor of consideration for a job that is not pushing out a baby or being an Asian model (for example), race and gender should mean nothing

      You only ever hear “I want the best person for the job” when a non white non male is chosen. Basically if it’s a white male, the assumption is he is probably ok for the job

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    Yeah, so was Biden when he was VP.

    Everyone knows this, I do t know why so many people are treating it like a revelation. Mainstream news was openly saying it as soon as she announced she was running.

    Her VP would be an older white guy for “diversity” of the ticket.

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    Yes because a black woman needs a white man to “balance” the fact… :)

    America is a very strange country.

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        There’s a difference in saying something sexist and racist to be sexist and racist vs being practical due to other people’s sexism and racism.

        I don’t like it any more than you, but I’m afraid they’re right. While the country might benefit from two women, two POC, two women of color any variation thereupon, they might not have the best chance in certain (usually older) demographics. And unfortunately this isn’t a contest we can pick the morally right choice, lose with dignity, and still come out okay.

        “Stand in the ashes of a [Million] dead and ask them if honor matters… Their silence is your answer.”

        After going through project 2025, I do not think I am being dramatic or hyperbolic with that video game quote.

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          I think AOC would have been a safer pick for VP than Walz, what with Walz’ record of deploying the national guard. He’s just a little bit too controversial. Harris needed to pick a running mate who would have given her an easy win. It’s too late to change it now but I’m disappointed she picked the hard route. I’m not sure we can afford to do that this election.

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            AOC wouldn’t win Harris the swing vote. I love AOC, don’t get me wrong, but with two women on the ticket, it’s too easy for conservatives to paint the duo as “crazy” or “radical.” Sexism remains alive and well here. People still believe the stereotypes and are easily influenced by dog whistles, especially here in the Midwest.

            I hope that we get to the point where this isn’t a concern, but as it stands now, we have never had a woman in charge, and a lot of people are afraid of the unknown, so they wouldn’t like the idea of something new on both the presidential front as well as the VP front.

            That’s on top of the fact that AOC is from NY and Harris is from CA. We are already irritated that a majority of people in office (and the country) ignore the “flyover” states even though we do a lot for the country (and have really cool cultural and fun places to visit, but this addendum is clearly biased). It really does matter a lot that Walz is one of us. He gets us in a way that people from the coast states don’t. That will influence a lot of votes, and two midwestern states are considered swing states - i.e. states that Harris absolutely NEEDS on her side.

            Swing voters here don’t care as much about deploying the national guard. In fact, it’s lauded by a lot of people, including liberals/democrats. Midwesterners are okay with civil disobedience, but only if it’s not unnecessarily destructive or if there isn’t an attempt to gain simply for yourself (ex: looting). I’m not saying that that is what happened when the guard was deployed or that it’s a realistic or correct belief, but in reality, the media painted it that way, so people believe what they were told. So, very few here are holding something like that against him.

            I don’t know of anyone in my region who would consider Walz to be truly controversial, and certainly, they think of him as way less controversial than AOC. They might disagree with Walz’s policies or opinions, but they don’t think he’s controversial. Here, AOC’s painted as a pot stirrer and a crazy lady. To reiterate, I don’t agree with this view of AOC, and I respect her immensely, but it would be foolish to ignore the fact that a lot of other people do agree with it. Walz, because of his race, age, cultural background, and experience, is a thousand times more electable than AOC when you’re looking at it from a national perspective.

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          When does it get better though? If we’re always tempering the appearance of marginalized people in leadership roles, i fear generations will keep growing up with a prejudice against it

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            are we though? i’m not sure we are, i literally do not care about the race/ethnicity of either candidate, i only care about how likeable/relatable they are, and how good of a record they have.

            Does it help to me as a white Midwesterner that tim walz is also a white Midwesterner, yeah probably, but my state is literally 80% white. And that’s pretty similar across most of the midwest.

            You could pick any number of equally good candidates, but a white Midwesterner garnering for the broad Midwesterner population? You’re gonna be hard pressed to find someone like tim walz who’s not white. Even just statistically, not including the likely long standing systemic racism in the government itself.

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    Vance is also a DEI hire. They didn’t want two geriatrics on the ticket so they chose someone young. Diversity in age. DEI can be spun many ways. It’s not a bad thing.