so this one girl, i’ll call her ella (19f) is transphobic, homophobic
she lashes out a lot, exaggerates things, and cannot read social cues. however, she has autism and adhd and is mentally much younger.
she also gets mad when i call a trans man “he” and she says “SHE’S A GIRL EVEN THO SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAN LOL”
she says she got her views from her parents and refuses to change because “it’s the way i am”. for someone who was mentally 19, I’d cut contact, but she’s mentally a lot younger.
Hi! I’m also a lady with au/ADHD.
Ella is a twat. Having a disability/handicap does excuse dehumanizing someone else. She can be hateful with her parents if she really wants, but don’t tolerate that shit.
She’s on a slippery slope for a larger part of society to start dehumanizing her based on her diagnosis/identity, too. Glass houses, I guess. 💅
On a slightly related note, some kid I went to school with constantly got away with touching girls inappropriately because he blamed it on his ADHD. He gleefully kept getting away with it. It was absolutely disgusting. He graduated and ended up going to prison a couple years later. Turns out, “it was my ADHD!” is not a viable defense in the real world! 🤡
Reminds me of Rosanne when she tweeted racism and then blamed it on Xanax. Guess what she does now? Hint, it’s not TV and it involves a red hat.
Turns out, being a shitty person makes you a shitty person. Who knew?
start calling her a he or him. tell her you’re under no obligation to refer to her as her preferred pronoun.
after a day or two ask her how it made her feel to have her request denied. then draw the point that what you just did is how she treats people, and they felt the same way she did.
if she demands you to stop, tell her “this is just the way the world is”.
Not a bad plan. What parents fail to teach the society must finish.
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She doesn’t need slack for that. She needs firm redirection. If she’s not able to take that, then cut contact.
While I know it’s not exactly the same situation, bear with me. There’s a leadership book called What got you here won’t get you there by Marshall Goldsmith.
It’s focus on C suite people, their habits, and how their personality affects their career aspects, etc.
The reason I bring it up is because in pointing out characteristic flaws the author talks about how people say, well this is who I am, or I’m just bringing my whole self to work as reasoning for behaving the way they do. Then the author goes on to say how this is an excuse for the unwilling behavior to change as people don’t want to change who they are as a person, but rebuts with “is changing this one aspect of how you behave going to drastically change you as a person?”
While I acknowledge that this person is young, I would say that pointing out that not saying anything is an option. She doesn’t need to change who she is, just how she behaves and respecting others costs nothing. Additionally, if she is not willing to look at how her behavior hurts others then she is unwilling to mature. Being neurodivergent is not a justified excuse to be mean towards others. While it may be harder for her to understand, explaining that her words hurt people emotionally and asking her why she thinks hurting others is okay could be a good starting point.
It goes back to the old saying, if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything.
Behavior like this is corrected by people letting you know that it’s not okay. If you let it slide it will continue. I’m not saying you need to jump down her throat or whatever, but her parents have clearly failed to correct it (and probably encourage it). So your choice is to either accept it and defend her to everyone she alienates or to politely suggest that it’s not okay and if she’s not willing to change that you don’t want to be around people who act like that. This shit only flies because no one has imposed consequences for this hateful behavior. I don’t care how mentally developed she is, anyone can understand that hating others for who they are is bad.
I suggest you tell her that this is a problem, and that this is affecting your friendship. That if she does not try to educate herself, that you will have to reconsider the friendship.
Tell her that trans people have something called gender dysphoria. Reference Wikipedia and DSM. Prove that this is a real thing. Just like her autism. The best would probably be to just send her a couple of links with a short, but honest take on how this is a problem for you. Let her read it herself om her own time.
The last thing you should do is let the friendship end without talking to her. Its important to confront people, and give them a chance to change their mind. People deserve that.
you can cut anyone off for any reason.
Autism or not, this isn’t an acceptable way to behave. You should be firm and tell her that she is wrong. I don’t know about cutting contact but for sure that can be an option if she doesn’t change. You don’t need homophobic transphobic people in your life.
Not aiming this at you but: when did it become socially unacceptable to condemn / chastise people with ADHD / autism when they say or do unacceptable things? This only emboldens them to do worse things.
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so this one girl, i’ll call her ella
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Perfecto! Ella se llama “Ella”
No. Being disabled isn’t an excuse for bigotry.
Is there a reason you have to interact with this person? It seems like if you’re in a situation where her response comes with an LOL, your best course might be just to not engage. If you’re in a position of responsibility with teaching her how to interact then gently repeating that respecting how someone would like to be addressed is probably warranted, even if it doesn’t seem terribly effective the first (many) times.
Ask her if her parents jumped off a cliff if she’d do it too.
No, it didn’t answer your question, nor is it helpful or useful advice. I just think it’d be funny and her parents absolutely used it on her at some point… it’s a mandatory phrase all parents are legally required to say to their kids at least once. It’s part of the contract you sign when the hospital gives you a baby.
Cutting someone slack doesn’t mean letting them go on behaving badly, it means understanding they need help to behave better.
Just tell her autism doesn’t exist and that she’ll never hold a job, go on a date, or play baseball.
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