How so? Masked men grabbed Rumeysa Ozturk off the street, caught on camera and even questioned by passers by. I haven’t seen their identites released, and I don’t see how it will happen unless the federal government wants it to happen.
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At the same time though, now that things like that are already out in the open it’s going to be a lot harder. I’ve already seen videos of people yelling at cops that are harassing and questioning alleged immigrants.
You’re speaking of the now.
I’m speaking about after this regime falls, and it’s time to to account for the crimes against humanity.
Then they’ll still need border guards, soldiers, police, judges. The “good German soldier” myth was created because if every Nazi were to be prosecuted, the nation would be paralysed.
Weren’t the Nazis meticulous about their records? The new crop know better than to leave a paper trail
They’re as skilled and aware as the January 6 insurrectionists.
They’ll all be found, and all will be ratted out by the communities that they’ve harmed.
The problem is exactly that. They were ratted. They got pardoned.
Human traffickers need to be dealt with only one way, and that’s in Yomi.
They can just scrub everything before they lose power. Remind me what happened with the phones of the Secret Service when they were investigating Trump?
They are using Signal as we’ve seen with Leaky Pete. Signal deletes all the info automatically after some time. Since it’s an end to end encrypted messaging app nobody can recover those messages. Not even Signal themselves. Who’s to say they aren’t using in other instances as well.
And finally, Trump can pardon the lot of them and they will never see justice.
ICE agents have lives away from work.
There is a zero percent chance that any particular ICE agent does so without someone in their own social sphere know8ng about it.
Compile the lists.
The regime will fall.
They are using Signal
I just had a thought: are the Signal people MAGA? I don’t think these paranoid criminals would be using something outside of their control if they weren’t certain wouldn’t be compromised. I also don’t think they’re competent enough to self-host and distribute up-to-date app binaries to everyone on the team.
…and if Signal is supporting of MAGA, doesn’t that mean they’re a risk for anyone critical of them? Even if the app is end-to-end encrypted, anyone just downloading the app from an appstore is one automatic update away from being compromised.
That’s so bold of you to assume they’re making the high school bullies do their own paperwork.
We couldn’t even get them to fill out a single page card for the national crime database.
They will be found through their record of employment.
Most of their agents are too stupid to understand that they’ll need to go into hiding when this regime falls.
Take the opportunity now to get their names and faces, so that it’s harder for them to slither away later.
I doubt next democratic admin will do anything about it.
Y’all got too much faith in the regime.
If maybe if AOC gets it, but they will neuter her
We haven’t had a real president since JFC… Just useful regime whores
Jimmy Fucking Carter? John Fitzgerald Christ?
JFK*
But the irony is palpable
John fried chicken. It’s a southern term that you yankees wouldn’t get, don’t ya know. It refers to John, of the johnathan name, who first fried chicken. He did it a long time ago, don’t ya know.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I mean… This is also correct IMHO
there should be publicized webpages of all ice and cbp agents all over the internet. just dox them all and their families.
Perhaps a federated platform for it?
Dox them all, let 4chan sort them out
pretty sure the ice agents are the ones posting on 4chan
4chan
I’ve got some bad news…
pretty sure they’re back as of like yesterday
yup, checked
You can starve the trolls, but you can’t ever get rid of them
Sorry to say that the fast majority of German Nazis did not only get off without any form of repercussions after 1945, they often even kept their jobs in government. The Nürnberg and subsequent trials only covered the high profile cases, that had not successfully fled. For the Nürnberg trials that were 22 people, while the subsequent trials only found 2,500 of 100,000 arrested Germans guilty of war crimes. Of those only 177 were tried, 142 were convinced and 25 were sentenced to death. These numbers also exclude the 1,600 German scientists, engineers and technicians that the US government took with project paperclip.
And it wasn’t for a lack of documents.
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Those were the evil Germans immigrating after the war. Not to be confused with the fine upstanding Ohio Hitlers.
One stay in Germany and become the rector of a managerial university, died in 2000ish with national funeral
You are a source of joy to the regime.
They very much enjoy all discussion that suggests that they can do what they want, and get away with it.
Excellent work on discouraging resistance.
What? I’m saying the Nürnberg trials should have been much larger and stricter. I’m saying don’t just hope that some outside force will bring justice, because historically that just won’t happen. It’s just coping. It is not resistance.
The reaction to these old Nazis remaining in power lead to the founding of the RAF, who decided to actually do something about it. If necessary with violence. It’s a fascinating piece of history that explains why Germany, despite the defeat, remained pretty conservative and it’s justice system remained “blind on it’s right eye”.
If you make a historical comparison, maybe read up on it instead of getting mad at someone pointing out a misconception.
You can evade justice if your Reich lasts long enough.
It’s sad when old corrupt criminals just outlive any repercussions, and the systems that shields them becomes the norm.
Even if WW2 was won by Germany, nazis were the targets of assassinations. They would not have been safe for the rest of their life.
Let’s see how long this one lasts against one of the most well armed civilian populations in history, who have been fed a steady diet of the Right to Bear Arms, and Stand Your Ground.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
By now, even the most fervent supporters can see that if one of them gets scooped by mistake, there is zero mechanism to correct it, and they’re as good as dead.
The regime will be fucked the first time their ICE agents try to scoop a Don’t Tread on Me type in the middle of the night, and get a bullet salad for their troubles.
“Fucked” how? You think they’ll give a shit? MAGA people will just say the person deserved it, or was a secret liberal or some bullshit to justify it.
You’re not grasping what I’m saying.
The regime is ruthless, but clumsy and stupid. They will attempt to kidnap the wrong person it’ll be a staunch MAGA acolyte or someone they care about, and they’re gonna Stand. Their. Ground.
You’re probably going to say that that won’t happen, on account of the populace being docile and pacified by job stability and low grocery prices.
Police shoot Americans every day and they put up with it. I’m not expecting them to rise up any time soon. The revolt was voting for Trump to burn it down lol
Then step the fuck out of the way.
lol.
More violence is coming to USA, that seems a given, but daily shootouts just means more resources to the “militia” the gov uses/chooses to use. And that can get normalised. And the percentage of gun-owners killed vs ICE agents killed acceptable (basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match). Good TV news tho.
There is no deterrent in ICE getting shot on the job (that doesn’t affect Washington at all), the deterrent would be gun owners grouping together & taking on the gov as a force.
(basically nobody can reasonably fight off an armed force on their own, it’s logistics, not a shonen match).
To be fair, the only wars that the US has arguably lost, has been against irregular insurgencies.
Lol, that’s is basically true-ish, but the counties, cultures, and infrastructure still got oblivioned … also the conflicts ran for so long … also2 domestically it would still count as a war & the president needs wartime excuses anyway.
Oh, it would be devastating… But if Ho Chi Minh could do it, I think a nation with ~1.2 firearms per person could end up on top…
Also, the military are still US citizens and many would refuse to turn their weapons on fellow citizens.
Where would the fighting take place?
Private homes? City blocks?
You can just torch those.And can these people leave their homes/jobs without starving (and no foreign aid)?
ICE and the police are also citizens and don’t seem to have much problem with it.
You’re right. The Vietcong were an anomaly…
So were the Taliban in Fallujah I guess?
And there’s a difference between a handful (by comparison) of ICE fuck heads doing what they’re doing, and the US military following orders to drive tanks down city streets and slaughtering (often white!) citizens.
I don’t think there’s gonna be a Nuremberg trials this time around
Don’t have to wait for trials. Operation anthropoid is an example of some chads taking matters into their own hands.
The trials will be home brewed.
Americans don’t like being told what to do by foreigners.
This time around though, there will be no appeasement that allows for a Southern Strategy again.
Well you’re certainly more optimistic than me.
They did it during Black Lives Matter. Would cover their faces, remove their badges, and use rental cars to pull people off the street and disappear them. It’s happening now with ICE.
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To be clear:
ICE agents have home addresses. They have lives away from work. People in their lives, from family members to acquaintances, who have direct knowledge of them being ICE agents.
Start collecting identifying information, that will help apprehend them after this regime falls.
When this regime falls; they won’t permit being voted out of office.
Why wait until after? These people need to be named and shamed. Prosecute them while we still have the ability to do so.
I can see no issue with resisting in any way plausible in any moment, from the present moving forward.
These are going to be an easy Nuremberg Trials once we get past this
Are you saying that USA will find itself in Germany again?
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Original title had “N” instead of “In”
We need a wiki where regular people can document and store evidence on the nazis, fascists and enablers currently destroying America. Not just ICE, but everyone. A place where sleuths can unmask and put a name on the worst of them. Where hackers can upload ICE payroll or employee databases. Perhaps even put together an interactive map showing where these people live so their neighbors can be safe.
Once the bastards see their names in print with proof of their crimes out in public perhaps they’ll realize how short their future is. Otherwise it’ll come in handy for the trials.
Yes, make it digital and public so it can be easily hacked, infiltrated, seized, and deleted.
Brilliant.
Consider hosting it over Tor
Can we do it playing card style like they did with the 9/11 terrorists and pick them off one by one for funsies?
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Thanks for this link.
I’m curious about what they mean by the thing at the very bottom:
“Funded by the Heritage Foundation Innovation Award.”
Is this the same Heritage Foundation? If so, seems wildly ironic.
Isn’t this essentially WikiLeaks?
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Be the change you want to see.
Start documenting.
Something like that would have to be ultimately physically hosted by someone outside the US to prevent it from being shut down so… Anyone got any foreign friends u/Hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0 can talk to?
Could host it as a .onion on TOR.
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That doesn’t solve the problem of needing a physical server with the data stored on it existing somewhere.
Right, but it doesn’t necessarily need to be physically located outside of the US. There’s always risks when dealing with the resources available to state-level actors, but a VPN with a foreign endpoint and Tor over that VPN would mitigate most of the risk.
Personally, I’d rather be safe and assume that it would still only be a matter of time before they found the server and took it down if it was within their jurisdiction. Best to keep it entirely out of reach.
How is the WiFi in Argentina these days
