You can merge the choices and resolve the conflict: Microsoft users are dumb.
Found the Linux user.
Not Arc though, they would have said so
Maybe he uses a Mac?
(I use arch BTW)
No.
(I use Tumbleweed btw).
Clearly you’ve never used a Mac. It wasn’t until 2024 that you could snap windows, they have a built in dark mode but the word processor that ships with their computer requires you to use a dark page template if you want black background/white text, and lord forgive you if you want to take a screenshot.
I think the vibe is kind of “works for grandma out of the box“, “someone in the small-but-mighty dev community made an [open-source] app for that”
Yeah frustrates me too but seeing it as a kind of culture would probably help me be less frustrated
Then Apple gets tiny bits of occasional flak for Sherlocking
Apple is almost the tale of two companies.
From the software usability perspective, they have the “it just works” reputation and that might be true if you’re doing really basic stuff. I’ve found both windows and Linux to be much more user friendly if you want to do mildly advanced things.
Their hardware is generally pretty solid but comes at a premium, especially once you start talking about increasing RAM/SSD capacity. I have both a MacBook pro M3 pro and a Snapdragon X Elite Lenovo Yoga slim 7x. The 7x can give great battery life, but is much more inconsistent in doing so. On the other hand, the 7x has an amszing 3k OLED screen, has a removable m3 SSD, and you can upgrade to 32 GB of RAM for around $100.
What I find interesting is that a large swath of developers have macs. I get it for some use cases (ARM emulation on ARM vs doing it on x86), but it seems like it’s a bit of a status symbol for others.
Thanks?
How are these people losing access to their MS accounts on their computers?
Step one, be forced to create a Microsoft account.
Step two, create the account with a password you are SURE you remember
Step three, create a PIN so you never have to enter your password
Step four, forget your password
Most likely this is the #1 reason. When Passkeys will become more popular, that will be another problem for regular users unless there is an easy account recovery option.
Another possibility could be switching to local account and deleting MS account, but I would imagine that is more rare and most people would just abandon account. Then it can become the same issue with forgotten password though.
I guess there is a password recovery feature with Microsoft accounts, but people don’t remember which email they signed up with?
Maybe it would help to read the initial reddit thread and not this article.
people don’t remember which email they signed up with
No. We are the top 5%-10% of users
Step 5, recover password?
That’s if the password recovery feature was set up properly.
Heaven forbid people take any personal responsibility.
You can still force local account. Edit: nevermind, first sentence of the article:
Earlier today, we published an article regarding Microsoft’s recent removal of the BYPASSNRO script and how it has irked Windows 11 users
Well, fuck.
On setup: Shift + F10 -> click into the CMD window (it opens unfocused)
cd oobe bypassnroAnd do not connect to network until you finish setup.
Disabling auto updates was also very simple and intuitive. Couldn’t be easier.
Meta + R -> Type gpedit.msc and press enter -> On left click Administrative templates -> All settings -> Configure Automatic Updates -> Select option 2, Enabled and Apply
I’m still creating local accounts using the bypass in the auto unattend file.
If a drive is crypto locked and there is only a local account, it might as well be wiped if nobody has a password.
Bypassnro is the old method, no longer working since 24H2. I’ve tested this method on GitHub and it works for normal AND S-mode devices.
- Ctrl + Shift + J before selecting secondary keyboard layout (sometimes you need to click on the outside borders of the form so the dev console pops up)
- Type this (can use autocomplete): WinJS.Application.restart(“ms-cxh://LOCALONLY”)
- Setup with local account
All the time, then people get ran around in circles, are given a too technical explanation and give up more often than not.
The encryption is not inherently a bad thing, but forcing people into account creation is where the trouble starts. With piss-poor customer support as the cherry on top, this should never be allowed.
I’d say it’s a bad thing because it’s the wrong threat model as a default.
More home users are in scenarios like “I spilled a can of Diet Sprite into my laptop, can someone yank the SSD and recover my cat pictures” than “Someone stole my laptop and has physical access to state secrets that Hegseth has yet to blurt on Twitch chat”. Encryption makes the first scenario a lot harder to easily recover from, and people with explicit high security needs should opt into it or have organization-managed configs.
I agree, the encryption should be deliberate choice. And we’ve said nothing yet about the impact on performance.
You used to almost be forced to make a recovery CD or USB when encrypting a drive, now people don’t even know how ‘important’ the MS account actually is.
That’s what the online MS account is for - your BitLocker encryption key is stored on your account that you can access from any web browser.
“Someone stole my laptop and has physical access to state secrets that Hegseth has yet to blurt on Twitch chat”.
Thanks for making me laugh. It’s been a while.
I had a stroke reading the thread title.
It has too much data
@moe90@feddit.nl clearly doesn’t give a shit. They’re a serial poster.
lol @moe90@feddit.nl posted and logged off, they have a life! (I gotchu moe)
Mod coulda fixed fix huh or maybe that’s dangerous
new form of encryption just dropped
The lost data is appearing inThe lost data is appearing in this thread.
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If they are still using windows, their privacy and data safety was never of importance to them, anyway.
Or just get the data back from the backups they made.
Data privacy != Documents/data on hard disk
If I have documents on my harddisk, they are private. If a windows 11 user has documents on their harddisk, they are not.
What do you smoke exactly?
I did not invent “recall”.
When are stockholders going to realize that the current Microsoft CEO is ruining Windows?
They know, read their yearly financial reports. They said for a decade that Windows is not only not profitable, there’s no future for it. Microsoft for several years now is a company that sells cloud and opensource services(Linux, Github, etc).
Kinda joking because in many ways windows is better than ever… but also making windows have non starter features enhances Linux adoption soooo
It seems like a buggy mess to me.
I’m getting daily or near daily BSODs since switch back from Debian. I was okay with Vista and 8, and maybe I’m just getting crankier as I get older, but I definitely am not a fan of the current direction Windows is taking.
It’s valid to feel disappointed. Windows 7 was really stable.
My work still has a windows 7 machine with an uptime of something like 12 years.
Windows 7 will idle in the low megabytes. But why does 11 want to use 6-8 Gigs on idle for no good reason?
And it’s not like there’s that much difference between the two operating systems. One is just loaded up with electron wrappers and spyware
Windows can’t be updated in any meaningful way without being rebooted because Windows can’t overwrite a file that is in use. This makes it fairly unlikely for a machine to be up for 12 years.
Windows 7 also doesn’t “idle in the low MBs” It uses almost 1G at least at startup more if you have apps that auto start and like every OS it caches recently accessed files.
Better than ever? What? Bloated than ever maybe.
Better than ever in base usability as an operating system for the average person. And you can run wsl2 and have a full Linux environment too. It’s as close to a macOS user friendly experience as it has ever been without losing the windows identity.
Okay, I’ll give you wsl2, and the “average user experience” being better, but Windows is losing its identity with the IT and customization front. For both destroying the win32 control panel and locking down the shell so you can no longer customize it.
Somewhat ironically OSX recently added widgets to the desktop. Something Microsoft did years ago, removed it for no reason, and then added a flyout to tick almost the same check boxes.
As for me, the spike in resource usage and over saturation of “AI” was enough for me to decide to jump ship.
I’m currently attempting to daily drive Manjaro so maybe my opinion will change, but so far, it feels like home.
Oh yeah some of the bloat is terrible and I wish the ai stuff came off by default but a lot of the issues can be handled with Chris Titus script. But to me win 11 with some tweaks feels better than anything since xp and I know I have rose tinted glasses on xp.
hearing about this was my final straw, thank god
I didn’t expect Windows to become THAT shit. Well it’s good for Linux I guess.
Yes! This happened to me when I turned off the ‘safe boot’ on a laptop via BIOS. It locked me out but I had never agreed to install Bitlocker in the first place, let alone know what key I was supposed to have. It was a total loss & I had to wipe the drive.
MS is hot trash.
The decryption key is saved in the Microsoft account, the error message explains that
I also almost got a panic attack when my Lenovo updated the bios and i was locked out
Yeah it can happen, when you force people without their consent encrypting their data.
Isn’t that what Iphone and Android already do?
The only phone manufacture that does that is Google with pixel. Any other phone is for my knowledge either “weakly” encrypted or not at all.
Still your Mobile OS isnt just upgrading and encrypting your SD card and main drive. Thats the point.
All devices launching with Android 10 and higher are required to use file-based encryption.
To use the AOSP implementation of FBE securely, a device needs to meet the following dependencies:
- Kernel Support for Ext4 encryption or F2FS encryption.
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Keymaster Support with HAL version 1.0 or higher. There is no support for Keymaster 0.3 as that does not provide the necessary capabilities or assure sufficient protection for encryption keys. -
Keymaster/Keystore and Gatekeeper must be implemented in a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) to provide protection for the DE keys so that an unauthorized OS (custom OS flashed onto the device) cannot simply request the DE keys. - Hardware Root of Trust and Verified Boot bound to the Keymaster initialization is required to ensure that DE keys are not accessible by an unauthorized operating system.
https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/encryption/file-based?hl=en
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Yeah, nothing important. Just your banking apps, personal documents, photos, government apps, emails, all the services linked to your phone via mobile number, personal chats, work chats, 2fa codes, some other not important stuff. But at least it doesn’t have your games. Unless you play games on your phone, then you are fucked.
For many, a mobile device is their sole computer, and things of importance to them are stored on it.
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Le banking app.
But THAT is recoverable EASILY, not like lost forever if you dont recover data from that phones storage.
Something like OTP are rather more important.
Well, I wasn’t talking about recovery, but need for encryption.
I guess thats true.
No you’re right, nobody has precious photos or videos on their phone 🙄
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This is a post about people who don’t understand encryption.
I backup my precious dick pics at several offsite locations by sending them to as many people as possible as often as possible.
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You’re assuming they actually understand proper data protection procedures. You have a very misplaced amount of faith in the knowledge of the average person. Plenty of people just expect stuff to work and are horrified when they realize they’re not.
I saw that all the time when I worked in mobile phone sales/support.
One major difference is that it is so much easier to lock yourself out of the desktop TPM chip compared to mobile device security chips because they’re not tightly coupled.
and phones make you use your unlock pin often, so people are forced to remember it. on the other hand windows lets you use a short pin instead of your full account password pretty much forever which results in people forgetting the password completely.
That isnt even the part it is encrypted, the TPM encryption is either “Automatic” or over a password (any length) on startup so far i know it from my work with Bitlocker (tpm 2.0) on windows 10. Idk if this is different on windows 11.
Different threat model and usage scenario. See the spilled milk comment.
Huh … I never noticed. Probably because my phone OS never failed to boot, requiring me to pull data off the HDD directly.
Samsung is notorious for this.
Android I think just uses same credentials you use to unlock account, at least I am not aware of any recovery key. And you are prompted for credentials from time to time so it is harder to forget. I use fingerprint as main unlock + pattern and I have to enter pattern roughly once a week I think.
On Windows if you set up Windows Hello (fingerprint or PIN usually), you are not reminded to enter password afterwards so eventually you can forget it. And if you do not know your password and cannot recover account, you will not be able to retrieve BitLocker recovery key. So fix to this problem could be another annoyance to users if it would be implemented as Android does it.
Forcing people is one thing, not telling them its a thing is completely different. Most Windows users dont even know their Windows has bitlocker enabled and those keys are out of their sight
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This is already looking like Microsuck is asking for a Windows 11/BitLocker based Class Action Lawsuit against them for this data lose blunder, and hopefully get their currently CEO fired.
ShitLocker
That’s extraordinary, even for Microsoft.
If you’re on Win 11 Pro, up to 23H2, follow these steps to prevent 24H2:
win+R, type GPEDIT.MSC, press enter Locate “Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update\Manage updates offered from Windows Update\Select the target feature update version”
Now click the “Enabled” button, type “Windows 11” in the first prompt and “23H2” in the second prompt and click “Apply”
That will prevent 24H2 from being downloaded and installed. When they’ve fixed this and the “Recall” mess, you can go back and undo the setting.
You can still do the “bypassnro” thing, it’s just a script that’s been removed. All it did was write a registry entry and reboot. This is the registry key entry - you can still press shift-F10 at the same point and type this manually:
reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f shutdown /r /t 0another method to try is this, instead of the registry entry:
start ms-cxh:localonlybut I haven’t tried that one yet.
I love how Windows fix has terminal and GUI configurations mixed as an unholy concoction directly from the HQ.
I’ve fixed it by axing my bitlocker encrypted partition that contained my Pro version OS and just installed arch.
I’m of the opinion that encryption based security should be compartmentalized. IE, an encrypted folder, or “safe” app. Safes in housing are already a concept that is already commonly known so it would be natural to extend a safe into the digital realm. This would also help in the idea that safes are locked with a key, so if the user loses their keys, whatever is inside the safe, might as well be lost.
Now if EVERYTHING is a safe, (always on encryption). People will never known the difference. Its a dangerous type of security that is likely to be more a loss than a benefit.
But, houses have locks on the doors. The whole point of the house is to be a safe for people. Security is all about the threat model, your risk assessment should inform the security measures that make sense in the security/convenience continuum. Not everyone will be equally well served by the exact same risk mitigation methods.
The point of whole disk encryption is to delay or nullify physical device control. If your disk is not encrypted, but you have a single encrypted file a bad actor wants to access. If they get physical control, then it is game over. They have all the time and power in the world to crack down that one file. Now, most people don’t have any one file(s) like that, but instead are worried about their private life in general. Without encryption, physical access to the device means total access to their entire life, the house had no locks and the thieves just waltzed in and took everything of value. Whole disk encryption is opting for a sturdier door, with better locks. Physical control is still bad, but access is orders of magnitude harder. Sure, if you lose the only key to your house, you better be prepared to break windows or walls to get in, but that is a user responsibility.
You are arguing for selective encryption, but I can’t really find any technical argument in your comment.
Whether we are speaking of encryption at transit or rest, there’s a general consensus that encrypting everything is best in every way except possibly performance for select cases.
For example, it allows hiding (meta)data about the really important bits, and with computers it’s really difficult to tell which bits of (meta)data could be combined to abuse. Tampering is a consideration as well.
For most folks they could just write down their encryption passphrase in a secure location with the rest of their papers since 99.9% of the risk is thieves stealing their laptops. For most folks the biggest secure item they have is the one they use constantly their browser and all the passwords it stores to all their services. You know the thing they use constantly.
A compartmentalized approach makes sense when the laptop contains really vulnerable data like laptops which have been stolen with bunches of client data on it or a journalists communication with confidential sources etc etc. In that case you STILL want to encrypt the whole thing but you want to separately encrypt the really important stuff with a different key so that every time you open your laptop to watch cat videos on youtube you aren’t also unlocking all the data you will have to tell your companies users you lost.
