• Alborlin@lemmy.world
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    It’s already happening, I see I opened accounts but none of my comment gets posted with accounts I don’t know why , this is with new accounts

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      sounds like you got shadowbanned, you can check your username, by not logging in and click your profile.

      it usually says “cannot find profile” on a browser, which means shadowbanned.

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      Same happened to me, all my old accounts which I had for years got banned for no reason and new accounts gets banned as soon as I comment.

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        Your IP address/device fingerprint has been blacklisted. They do daily (possibly a few times throughout the day) automated bans of any accounts that visit the site from IPs of users they have banned. Commenting automatically triggers an IP check so you’re banned instantly, but if you didn’t even comment your account would be banned by the end of the day.

        I tested this after I wiped and deleted my accounts back when they made all the API changes. They undeleted my account, undeleted all of my posts, and then permanently banned my account. I then signed in to one of my alt accounts that has never commented to see if they had banned it, and they hadn’t - until a few hours later when it was permanently banned for “ban evasion”. I created a new account to see what would happen - same thing. I then turned on the built in VPN on a browser and set it to always be active when on reddits domain and made a new account, and that account to this day is still not banned.

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    Lol, they’re the ones using the bots to fake engagement in the first place.

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    Don’t think they’re doing this out of the goodness of the hearts, they’re just trying to avoid the “shit in, shit out” affect of their data sample.

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    No they won’t lol

    If they didn’t do it already, it’s not gonna happen now. This is lip service to the shareholders

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      It’s in their best interest to suppress non-human conversations. What are you talking about?

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        Is it? Reddit has been full of bots for years.

        And if the r/CMV thing didn’t make it apparently, the recent wave of them weren’t “caught in the act” and only became a “problem” when the researchers announced their shitty experiment.

        If realistic chat bots can fool the masses, why on earth would reddit get rid of them? It helps their metrics. “Look at how active our site is! Buy stock!”

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          when the researchers announced their shitty experiment.

          Shitty experiment? On the contrary, it was an amazing experiment.

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          I know you enjoy hating on Reddit but what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. Reddit is an advertising business. Bots don’t view advertising but adds infrastructure cost. Additionally, humans are way better at engagement with the platform and people than bots.

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            Bot activity brings “engagement” which generated more page views from actual humans. Literally the only downside of this announcement is the optics of having bots in the first place.

            The bots were already indistinguishable from humans on reddit, do you really think that this recent scrutiny is going to lead to fewer bots? Or might it actually lead to better bots?

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            Additionally additionally, as it says in the article, reddit sells its content to OpenAI, and in order to do that, they need it to be organic. If you feed AI output back info AI, it makes the output worse, not better. So, there’s another financial incentive to ensure that the people talking on reddit are actually human.

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              If openai kept buying reddit data after 2022, they are idiots. They let the cat out of the bag.

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              If you feed AI output back info AI, it makes the output worse, not better.

              Yeh but feeding reddit user output into AI is part of the reason why AI is so confidently incorrect so often.

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              I would like to remind you of two things. The first is that reddit used to have a mod tool called “BotDefense”. Its shutdown in July of 2023 directly lead to a major uptick in Spam Bots.

              The second is that part of the ad revenue is “impressions”. Impressions are just an account (bot or human) “viewing” the ad and they do not require a click-through. The platform hosting the ad still gets paid for those.

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          half of thier site are bots, RUSSIA probably makes a majority of those bots, something reddit isnt doing anything about

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        Where on Earth have you gotten that bizarre idea? It is in their interest to promote engagement, human or not, by any means necessary.

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        No it isn’t and they have openly talked about doing this practice back in the early days of reddit to make the site appear more active than it really was. Nothing has changed.

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      They want more users to make accounts. Blocking nsfw content to non-users was a start but now they can make a bigger push.

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      Sometimes I have to return for various reasons. God. Some of them have absolutely bled over to the fediverse, but holy HELL are the people and the culture there messed up. I don’t know if it’s getting worse or I’m healing.

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        What’s the difference between Reddit and Lemmy culturally? I thought that the people who moved over here held opinions fairly typical of Reddit.

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          Hmm… Reddit users tend to be less thoughtful and more ready to play to the crowd, as opposed to a more personal approach on lemmy/fediverse. It’s an important distinction, that lemmy is based on the idea of being nice to people. By doing so, I hope to, and have seen, far less one-liners and dismissive jokes. It’s less toxic imo. It’s not perfect, but we have to work in steps, together as a society in order to get to enlightenment like that. And lemmy is a decent step away from what Reddit culture has become.

          Also, I think lemmy people are a bit less selfish and more socialist as an average, which probably contributes. I think it helps to go, “capitalism bad, let me actually try to take a step away from that and try to do (at least technologically) something that’s better.” Personally, I’m not a communist or pure socialist, but I’m definitely not gruntled by any means with our current socioeconomic systems. I’ve talked to some tankie friends irl and not only do we disagree a on some things, but one person believed that what I want doesn’t exist/isn’t a known societal structure, which is fine to me, that just means we haven’t tried it yet.

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            While I completely agree with you about the absence of one-liners and meme comments, and even more left leaning community, there’s still that strong element of “gotcha” in discussions. Also tonnes of people not reading an article before commenting (at a better rate than Reddit probably), and a generally even more doomer attitude is common here.

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        Personally I feel like I am healing. I haven’t signed into reddit since they bent the knee to musk. I have noticed that I have become less toxic. I still go off half cocked like an idiot but I have been more tactful about it. I hope to keep working on it because I honestly never noticed until I had been away from reddit for a few weeks.

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    Yeah it’s definitely the bots and not the fashy admins that drove me away from reddit.

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      I mean the bots don’t help. The sheer number of obviously AI subreddits and response farms is crazy. There’s like 6 prominent “Am I the Assholes”, a bunch of text message “screenshot” subreddits which have always been easy to fake, and a bunch of “explain the joke” ones too. I stop reading halfway through most text posts and comments because it’s obviously AI

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        That’s fair, it just seems like that if they’re going down the list of problems looking for things they can do to make reddit a better place, it doesn’t make sense to not start at the top.

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          I made a lemmy post about it but I theorize they’re crowdsourced AI training. Post something, post a couple of separate AI interpretations of it, then analyze the highest up voted AI and “organic” responses, and feed that back into the model. Rinse/repeat

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        I got banned from reddit for a few days once because I posted something similar. Was told I was threatening violence. Lol

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          Violence for the sake of violence is not the same as violence to stop violence. Everyone knows killing an abusive parent is morally grey whereas killing an innocent child is absolutely wrong.

          I recently got a comment removed on the Fed because a mod misunderstood my comment. They thought that someone who maliciously harms the innocent is themselves innocent, therefore invalidating my ideal. My bet is they didn’t know what malice means, or they genuinely think that hurting people with no provocation doesn’t make you a bad person.

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          Like a war on terrorism, that then fights domestic terrorists, that then protects Tesla; any new power will inevitably be abused. Snowden taught us that a long time ago.

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      Everyone has their own reasons. If you disagree with their management, then you should celebrate other people choosing to leave, even if for different reasons than your own.

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        I’m not complaining about people leaving, just saying the bots are not the biggest problem.

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    Reddit: User content belongs to us. You can’t scrape, collect, use, or have bots interact with it… unless you pay us.

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      Lemmy is the same in terms of ownership btw, as is pretty much every online platform. Anything you post is owned by the owner of the instance that it is on and that it federates to. You don’t own it.

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      Also reddalso Reddit: since all users have left, most of our traffic now consists of posts from AI bots that we’re really really blocking!!

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      100%. Reddit loves bots that they control, like the ones that go back and constantly re-post years old top rated, traffic driving content, complete with a replica of the entire comment section posted by hundreds/thousands of bots, because they can use it to do their bidding in pushing agendas and/or driving traffic/engagement.

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          It wouldn’t surprise me if Reddit worked with OpenAI and Google and other AI companies to help them get the data they want by letting them manipulate subs.

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    I don’t believe that for 1 millisecond.

    Spez won’t be able to stop himself from enshitifying reddit in any way he can to appease those VC pump&dump scammers he’s spent the last decade ruining reddit for.