True, but isn’t that the definition of a totalitarian?
Sure, in a wildly extreme version of it and only when the goverment does it. So, basically not at all.
Many of the people who demand “debate” have no real interest in engaging properly, they just want to spew their shit without consequence. People are getting really tired of it and having to constantly do the legwork for them since they’re not even willing to try a little bit or even learn when obvious facts are presented in their little “debates”.
First things first, what is a government? Because many corporations have more soft and hard power than the majority of all governments through history, the same can be said about certain influencers, is it simply the Monopoly on violence? Because that seems awfully arbitrary and means any bully is a government, I would argue the principal behind it is far more important than some arbitrary definition of government that even international bodies don’t agree on.
Second thing second, sure, many, people argue in bad faith, many are improper many are etc but certainly not all and certainly not every influencer or company should be the absolute arbiter of Truth and moral.
“there are some similarities so they are the same because it supports my argument”
“What is government” oh my god it’s a comic you pea-brained pseudo-intellectual. Actually just shut the fuck up.
Oh no, I’m being totalitarian!
It is just a comic, just like trump is just joking about Tariffs and infact the very idea of him ever getting elected is a meme and a joke, or the Flat Earth theory, that is sooooo funny, or how about the Tide Pod challenge, wasn’t that funny??? Or remember all that time ago when school shootings were a Joke? Wasn’t that sooooooooo funny ??? 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
A person refusing to waste time on a troll has literally, fundamentally, and atomically nothing to do with totalitarianism
This would be true if exactly the two people are involved but after that you are not the only one affected, also who is to say they are a troll or have a valid opinion? If it is an individual then that is definitionally a totalitarian.
I love it when you bunch come out with your whataboutisms and other bs on PCC posts.
it makes it so much easier to block you.
And I love it when you bunch come out with censorship immediately proving my point.
People are in control of what they see. It’s their lemmy. Block away! Or ban if you run a instance/community.
Whatever
Fair point, but the traffic compared to the vast majority of socal networks is irrelevant to say the least.
Don’t feed the troll. Block it instead.
Free speech means you don’t get arrested for it, doesn’t mean anyone is required to listen
No, free speech means you have the right to speak, if you’re talking about some government I don’t know of it is irrelevant.
It still doesn’t mean the right to be listened
It does mean people have the right to hear, and When high profile people are able to censor it is taking away from the open market of ideas as much as any government, sure, you specifically do not have to argue anything, and I am ok with that but it is a fine line to censorship, including for other political powers or corporations, it happens in real life with real influencers all the time.
I don’t give a damn about your argument, you’re taking the web too serious. That’s why i block yo ass because if you stopped being annoying i would just ignore you.
But alas you got nothing better to do, so it’s a block.
Man, this post gave me so many new people to block!
Double benefit from my perspective. I block people for three reasons, they are not mutually exclusive. Willful stupidity and being argumentative. If someone refuses to learn objective truth or insists I believe their objectively wrong position I have no need to interact with them in the future. I’m done with them. The third reason is getting the last word, myself or them. I have a hard time shutting up sometimes, so if someone meets either of the above criterial and has to continue to keep commenting on any rebuttal I make I just block them. There’s no reason to allow myself to continue the interaction, and the other person has no interest in a good faith discussion.
It’s really crazy how internet regressed in this regard. “Don’t feed the troll” is been the moto of the web but not it’s almost inverse. People try to justify this as justice seeking but its clearly doesn’t work.
It’s because of engagement algorithms, partially. Unlike ‘dumb’ forums/boards, the bulk of the modern internet heavily rewards trolling (and engaging with trolls) in every form.
That, and very little community moderation.
God I love the profit driven nature of the modern Internet that relies on engagement-by-any-means-necessary. I love it sssooooo mmuuuucchhh
An increasing number of things are justified as justice seeking. I think it’s because people are increasingly desperate to feel powerful against the real injustices of the world. In that light it’s understandable, but seeking that feeling by trying to win online arguments with randos seems seriously pathetic.
Man all get comics these days seem to be mostly about people bothering her online. I get the desire to vent that frustration but it’s been a while since I’ve seen anything else.
She has posted a lot about other stuff, I don’t see that many about this myself.
Maybe it’s my feed or something. I’m glad it’s not just rant posting.
What is incredibly toxic is insulting someone and then blocking them, so they can’t defend themselves.
Doesn’t work on lemmy.
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As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It’s not that I disagree with them, they’re just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
If some rando did this exact scenario in ragemaker and posted it, with no connection to pizzacake, everyone would be talking about how relatable it is. I’d wager you’d be included in that ‘everyone’.
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s low hanging fruit because everyone agrees with it. No one thinks you are obligated to argue with others, which is the straw man’s position. It’s not that you don’t have a right to block critics, the question is “When is it a good idea?”.
It sounds like a lot of people think the author does it too liberally, which can lead to an echo chamber. Most people would say creating a lawsuit against your critics is also an overreaction, but people have also been saying she gets harassed a lot. That makes it more reasonable if true.
And then if that rando did it every day for like five years, I’d get tired of their shit too.
except the situation you’re describing is not happening.
It’s been fascinating seeing this platform slowly turn against Pizzacake as more of her stuff gets posted.
So downvote and move on. The moaning about her is even more dull and repetitive.
Droll means amusing. You might have meant dull instead
Yeah, that’d be autocorrect.
“droll and repetitive” is some serious projection my apparently terminally online friend. I’ve never heard of this artist before in my life
As obvious and uncontroversial as this comic may seem, the message still needs to be said.
I really don’t think it does.
Care to elaborate? Or are we edging “I just don’t like that my opinion is bad and people have the right to tell me fuck off”?
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Like I said in another comment, most of her comics I react to with a “no shit”. She’s stating the obvious.
I really hope these comics don’t surge here like they did on reddit. It’s not wrong, it’s just such low effort. Its just pandering.
Maybe youre leaning more towards its a circlejerk? But I mean if its a circlejerk about disowning naxis and other annoying people I say pass the grease
Circlejerk, preaching to the choir, stating the obvious, whatever you want to call it.
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Ok, capitalism is the root of most if not all of the evil in today’s Western society, and that we’d all be better off without it.
I see this point of view expressed on Lemmy quite frequently.
Should I not share that even though it’s been shared 10s, 100s, 1000s of times before? Do I as a participant in society have the freedom to voice what I believe, regardless of whether it’s a majority or minority position?
Seems like you’re advocating for silencing free speech, which is idiotic.
Assuming it was common knowledge to don’t be a nazi is how we got all these nazis running around
Exactly
“Commom Knowledge” isn’t comon among a LOT of idiots this comic is aimed at.
And you saying that is why it does need to be said.
It needs to be said because someone thinks it doesn’t need to be said? That doesn’t make sense.
You’re really going to town in here, aren’t you?
Eh, kinda
the message still needs to be said.
No it doesn’t, because this shit is just ragebait.
How? It says nothing rageworthy
Uh… to whom?
Every block enforced your echo chamber, brick by brick.
This is why i don’t block things in general. How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
I’m with you, to a degree. If I see someone clearly acting in bad faith and/or trolling, then they are just wasting my time.
However, if we have a disagreement of opinion, I don’t feel right about blocking that someone. This would lead to a lonely existence, because the odds of having someone that agrees with every single one of my opinions is pretty low, so that means over time, I’d have blocked everyone.
I dunno, the censorship is what creates an echo chamber on lemmy.
ive debated these maga morons for nearly a decade. i’m done. there’s no amount of logic or facts that will ever save them.
Devils advocate hat ON: I recon they feel the same way about you. What’s the play? Just ignore them while they take over your country? Do you think that you can solve the problem without infringing on peoples right to listen to whatever they want?
there are other, more effective ways to fight back than to argue with an inanimate object.
Ok, maybe get on that then. Cause it ain’t goin’ very well…
Not sure what the play should be, but evidently debating them online in good faith isn’t it. Violent revolution perhaps.
I block people very rarely (I think I have just two or three blocks on Lemmy and Mastodon combined) but when I do it’s because of tone, not because of content. I’m fine with reading things I don’t agree with or that I think are disconnected from reality. As you say, it gives you an idea of what others think. But if someone is needlessly and consistently rude, I just don’t need that in my life.
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Never said that. I said I rarely block people in general, not that there are few trolls.
But sure, if you want to increase the size of my block list, calling my post “some bs” just because my experience is different from yours is probably a good start. Let’s see if I’ll stick around long enough to get so annoyed that I need to block you or if I just walk away.
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You seem to enjoy being annoying for the sake of being annoying, but that doesn’t mean anyone else does. Seems like a pretty lonely hobby actually.
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I pity you.
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How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
also- It’s certainly not hard to get a nuanced idea of others non-nuanced ideas.
Or read up on what their ideas are and not engage with the worst version of a person with that belief system.
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
That’s the whole point. I don’t want a “past tense” understanding of what is being said and written by “people”.
Obviously spammers get blocked, cause they make it hard to read. The rest are just words and opinions. All of which I’m perfectly capable of dealing with.
Ok, blocked.
Just kidding. Debate is good, but unfortunately some of them is done in bad faith, either just for trolling, or because the oposing side just has no intention of even considering your arguments.
In both case, blocking is justified.I tend to steer clear of online debate, i just want to see what is being written so that I don’t get a skewed view. The only way to avoid the echo chamber is likely not participating in social media at all.
If I have the energy for it, I browse some classical forums, where you have to go through every reply. Kind of tedious, but atleast every post gets the same “weight”.
Be normal on the internet about a female artist you don’t like challenge (impossible).
Lol yepp
I didn’t enjoy the comic. Coincidentally, the author may be female.
Imagine getting triggered for something so simple and stupid.
Are you talking about the artist or the person the artist is complaining about?
Both are equally pathetic. Having said that, only one person made the comic
Good suggestion, I’ll do this from now on instead
I really dislike this person’s comics for some reason