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    2 months ago

    If the green party even actually cared about the shit they purport to care about, they’d have been pro nuclear. That’s all I needed to hear in order to know they were worth absolutely none of my attention.

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      They also be active more than one out of every four years. You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections. They’re spoilers. Nothing more.

      The veil is lifted finally.

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        What might have had some efficacy as an auxiliary party is if the organization promoted specific extant primary candidates, perhaps. To assist more progressive candidates in becoming the nominees for various electoral races. AND in local elections, not JUST the big one every four years like you said!

        We’ve seen this work (to our detriment) with the ‘tea party’ -_- all i’m saying is, it pisses me off that we leave that kind of weaponry on the table when these fucking chud scum manage to pull it off.

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        You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections.

        Sure we do. In fact, my town voted Green into office.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @SyntaxTerror@feddit.org for the info)

        State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)

        • Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
        • Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
        • Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
        • Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
        • Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
        • John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
        • Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
        • Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)

        Current Green Party Mayors

        • Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
        • Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
        • Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)

        Former Green Party Mayors

        • John Reed - Fairfax, California
        • Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
        • David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
        • Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
        • Robb Davis - Davis, California
        • Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
        • Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
        • Jason West - New Paltz, New York

        Current Green Party City & County Council Members

        • Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
        • David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
        • Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
        • Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
        • Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
        • Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
        • David Grover - Trinidad, California
        • Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
        • John Keener - Pacifica, California
        • Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
        • Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
        • Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
        • George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
        • Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
        • Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
        • Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
        • Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California

        Former Green Party City & County Council Members

        • Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
        • George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
        • Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
        • Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
        • Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
        • Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
        • Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
        • Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
        • Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
        • Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
        • Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
        • Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
        • Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
        • Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
        • Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
        • Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
        • Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
        • Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
        • Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
        • Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
        • Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
        • Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
        • Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
        • Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
        • Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
        • Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
        • Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts

        Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)

        • Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
        • Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
        • Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
        • Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Carl D’Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
        • Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
        • Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
        • Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
        • Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
        • Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
        • Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Vincent O’Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
        • Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
        • Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
        • John Powell - Montecito, California
        • Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
        • Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
        • Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
        • Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
        • Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
        • Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
        • Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota

        Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)

        • John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
        • Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
        • Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
        • Kim O’Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
        • Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
        • Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
        • Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
        • MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
        • Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
        • Soup@lemmy.cafeOP
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          So… you’re evidence is local elections? Tell us you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion without telling us you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion.

          What did Stein or West do?

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            Well it was said we never hear about them between elections. Stein doesn’t just stop being part of the Green Party between elections. It just doesn’t make the news. Big difference.

            And I don’t like West, so I have no comments or ideas about what he does or doesn’t do.

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              Ahh. So you support the Russian shill only. Fair enough. It was said we never hear from PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES between elections.

              Try and keep up.

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                But the comment didn’t say “PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES between elections.” It said “they” and that could be a lot of people. And I was under the impression it mean “they” as in “the Green Party.”

                And many some third party presidential candidate are active between elections. They just don’t make the news because news orgs don’t see it as a story unless it’s an election year.

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                  I’m not entertaining your trollish attempts to keep this discussion going. Anyone reading this would have extrapolated the intended topic.

                  We’re done here. You’ve nothing to say that’s relevant to the actual topic and you’re only derailing it further but pushing this.

                  You’ve been called out. Yet again.

                  Have a nice day! Was nice talking to you :)

    • shalafi@lemmy.world
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      “Green” and “pro nuclear” go together like peas and carrots. Unless one flunked elementary school science class.

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        Nah nuclear is relatively easy to deal with the waste, ublike say oil. Plus ignoring it is a legit method of dealing with the problem, worst case ya dump it in Wyoming nobody lives in Wyoming.

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          Honestly though! Look at the region around Pripyat; that place is thriving.

          Alternatively we could stash it in death valley where literally nothing lives, not even animals.

          Stash, not drop: As nuclear technology progresses, we’ll get more efficient at using it as fuel and eventually the waste of today can become supplemental fuel of tomorrow, used much more thoroughly, and only be radioactive for a few hundred years instead of thousands.

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      Nuclear energy is the most expensive type of energy, you could have way more wind and solar energy (stored in batteries or hydrogen) for the same investment. And without waste that keeps radiating for the next millenia.

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        Neither storage “solution” is currently adequate for fossil fuel replacement and may never be for high-density populations. Nuclear is less impactful than burning hydrocarbons or damming rivers and fearmongering about radioactive waste products isn’t helpful because, again, every nuclear accident or leak to date has been less harmful than normal exhaust from coal-burning plants and riparian habitat destruction.

        If we had kept investing in an actual energy solution we would have gen-IV reactors already and the waste concerns would be even lower.

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          Additional comment against nuclear: water cooling, which is a real problem in a warming climate. Rivers will dry up or flood. And near the coast with rising sea levels is also difficult, using salt water. Besides, there are plenty of sustainable alternatives with a cheaper price tag, so why bother?

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            Energy is energy. It doesn’t matter what it comes from. It comes from an exchange of entropy. It all must create heat. Arguably solar only takes the heat that would be hitting the earth anyway, but it creates more electricity the more it absorbs, so having a lower albedo is better, which will be higher than what the ground would have been.

            Also, yeah obviously some places aren’t ideal for a nuclear plant. That’s not an argument against it. That true for literally every energy source. You can’t build a solar plant in the shade. You can’t build a wind farm where there isn’t wind. Etc.

            Which ones are sustainable and cheaper? They cost similar amounts per twh, and most cause more deaths. Nuclear creates, by far, the least pollution, including wind, solar, and hydro. Wind and solar also require something to provide baseline power, which is probably batteries. That requires mining lithium, which is very limited, or using some other battery technology which also have issue.

            Nuclear is baseline power, clean, sustainable, cheap, and safe. The waste is easy to deal with and only exists in small amounts, most of which will be neutral in a very short period. The only reason not to like it is because we’ve passed laws to make it expensive and take a long time to build, but that’s artifical and promoted by dirty energy. The whole anti-nuke movement is paid for by dirty energy, which should tell you something.