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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
Just like in Nazi Germany, the entire Israeli population is complicit.
Not to be super technical but “most” is not the same as “all”.
82% support genocide.
What percent of the Germans under Hitler supported genocide?
Not all.
About 800,000 Germans were arrested during the war for actively resisting. That’s about 1% of the population arrested. And these were just the bravest ones. The less glorious ones are probably a bigger number.
That’s not to deny that a majority was supporting the Nazis. That’s to make the distinction between “most” and “all”.
Surely there couldn’t be any negative consequences to sweeping generalizations of a people? ;)
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I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.
The wider truth is that anyone who’s remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.
So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.
Also work the other way around, Jewish people from around the world that don’t accept the genocide being committed on their name are not going to move to Israel, while tha ones that are OK and support it are more likely to move in and participate directly.
Yeah exactly. I was just thinking my kid will probably never see it because I can’t imagine visiting ever again.
Yeah, this is has been obvious for…30 years now? This is only shocking to ostriches
Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.
Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.
This was over a year ago:
“Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza.”
having a hard time finding the actual source of the survey. anyone have the actual data?
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If you know anything about the genocidal ideology of zionism, this should be absolutely no surprise. It’s always been like this. Haven’t people watched any interviews with zios? Don’t y’all know any zios? These people are brainwashed racists at best.
I know a Palestinian talking to Israelis on omegle . Most of them are so disgusting and racists.
This new documentary serie is cool https://youtu.be/AEiL_5h14pY
As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.
Anyone surprised? Nasi state governed by nazis, who were elected by nazis thinking they are more than others. Fuck israel.
This poll is disgusting
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ? They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ? That really seems like propaganda.
Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ?
Because Israel, in effect, has two different nationalities: Jewish Israeli and Palestinian Israeli. Polling without considering this simply results in less useful data.
so you say that nationalities are more accurate than religion. That’s my point
Okay so what’s your point?
Nationalities (or citizenships has pointed by @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) are made by the ruling class, and have no reality in it-selves. I don’t say we couldn’t used those categories, but we have to stay critic.
If not, we will hide some solidarity or antagonism between class. Israel threat a lot of people, including Jews (Falashas, Sefarad, Yiddish, …), and is supported by anti-semits (radical evangelists, far right party, nazi organization), …
A poll based on legal categories in an apartheid state is accurate. However, using the name chosen by the nationalist propaganda (i.e “Jews” and not “Jewish Citizenship”) is taking part in this propaganda, and have disastrous effect.
They’re citizenships, not nationalities.
Israel does this almost unique thing in the World which is split Citizenship from Nationality, with those who have the former only having the latter if they’re Jews (constitutionally only a Jew can be an Israeli national). Further Israeli Citizenship is broken into Jewish Israeli and Non-Jewish Israeli, with the latter having less rights than the former (for example, Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens require “authorization” from local authorities to go live in certain parts of the country).
Israel was set up as an Apartheid state from the very beginning.
That said the other poster made a mistake: Palestinians are not Israelis - not even Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens - and have no rights at all in Israel. Further, there is no right to Israeli Citizenship by being born in Israel (unless you’re a Jew: any Jew, anywhere in the World, has a right to Israeli Nationality, which also gives them Jewish Israeli Citizenship).
This has interesting effects such as people whose families have lived in Jerusalem for generations not having Israeli Citizenship because it was denied to them even though they were born there and lived there their whole lives. Of course, all of these people are not Jewish as all Jews constitutionally have a right to Israeli Nationality.
So By Law Israel has 3 different classes of people living there, in decreasing order of the rights they have:
- Jews, which by law are all Israeli Nationals (a Jew can literally arrive in Tel-Aviv, ask for Israeli Nationality and get it) and hence are also Jewish Israeli Citizens.
- Non-Jewish Israeli Citizens
- Non-Israeli Citizen, which includes all Palestinians even those born in the territory of Israel as Israel can and frequently does simply refuse to give them even just Non-Jewish Israeli Citizenship.
How do they gatekeep who can be Jewish?
The don’t gatekeep Jewishness, they gatekeep Israeli Nationality on the basis of being Jewish or not.
I have no idea how they determine who is a Jew and who is not.
What I do know, which is pretty damn interesting, is that Etiopian Jews, who are Black, did got Israeli Nationality when they came to Israel and asked for it, same as all other Jews but from what I read the State Of Israel still treated them differently (for example, see here, though this being Britain and the BBC they’re likely reporting a milder subset of reality).
Good old white colonialism…
If the Germans could determine whether someone was Jewish, I’m sure there must be several perfectly reasonable and objective ways of doing it.
This is not the first pollster that finds these results. You are probably just unfamiliar with how fascist Israeli society is.
That’s not the point. This a fascist state, which imply a massive support from the population, their is no debate.
So we have to stop being so naive. What say those numbers ? Who allow those numbers to exists ? What those numbers do not tell ? Why nobody ask themselves those questions ?
- Those numbers in showing racial struggle may hide social struggle or imperialist struggle
- in a fascist state at ware, this poll could have been invisibilized or forbid by the Israel. So, it may help it’s propaganda
- I don’t think any difference in the support of Israeli people to they fascist government that the support of people in western countries to their own government. In focusing in this imperialistic situation, may be a lot of people could avoid to fight it. Even if we are more efficient their, and it’s may help Palestine
Finally, some racist people may attack jews around the world because of the confusion made between us and Israel. And again, that confusion is one of the objective of Israel propaganda
So you’re saying this poll is a fascist plot? And zios actually are super kind to palestinians? gtfo.
All my statements are against the state of Israel (and any imperialist state), and against Zionism (and every state nationalism). I’m just afraid that people are confused between jews and zionist. And you short reading trend to prove my right
Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war,
What do you think the actual numbers are? How far off is this poll in your conspiracy theory?
I don’t give a shit if those numbers are right or true. It’s not changing anything
Zionism is a religious movement.
It’s also nationalist, and jewish supremacist.
Also religion is the main tool used to make people commit atrocities.
No, it’s not. Again the biggest organization that support zionism is evangelist. A lot of atheist people are atheist, and a lot of jews are not zionist, or are anti-zionist. You making short link that break solidarity and make confusion their.
Yes religion used to justify nationalism, colonialist, imperialist and apaththeid… as a propaganda. We don’t fighting Israej in repeating its propaganda.
Yiddish culture has piratically been destroy by Israel policy. Jews from Ethiopia (Falashas) has been sterilized by force the Israel. Being Jews or not is unrelated with Israel.
The ideology that the jewish people are owed the promised land of Jerusalem, by god, and that any means to control that holy land are justified, is 100% absolutely a RELIGIOUS extremist beleif.
Stop being delusional
During demo for palestine, we were a lot of Jews; some not practising, some without belief, and some orthodoxe. If you are surprised, by one of those statement, you may reconsider what you think of who are jews or not; because is neither to you or Israel to decide.
Christian Bible said that everyone have to be convert; I would not say that every Christian are intolerant to other bielief. It’s obvious that every christians to not believe in eevrything in the bible. Why Jews couldn’t do the same with the Torah ?
Living in a land is unrelated to forbid anyone else to do the same. Jews where diving there for millennium before the colonization. And finally, if you thing that we all have to be fundamentalists, the Torah said that the diaspora is is a divine punition, and that this is the role of the messiah to lead us to Israel. Lots of orthodoxe are anti-zionist saying that only god thogh the messiah could allow us to move in Israel.
Sorry but you don’t no shit
Jews and Zionists are two distinct groups.
Zionists are jewish extremists, just like ISIS is an extremist islamic group.
No Zionist are not jews extremists. . Some Jews extremist are, and zionist are not jews. Some Zionist are christians extremist, some zionist are atheist. Zionism is preteding to defend Jewish people. Its racist and colonial against people of Palestine, people from maghreb or Africa, and it could be antisemitic too : https://lemmy.wtf/post/22551217
You have crafted a fictional worldview that doesn’t align with reality.
This is a you issue
I’m blocking you now.
This just in: The country that has been doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians for 77 years is still okay with doing ethnic cleansing.
waiting for bill maher who claimed muslims were inferior because some muslim countries supposedly supported this and that according to random polls. surely he will be consistent.
Bill Maher is the biggest hypocrite.
Not enough principle to be a hypocrite. He’s just a drunk old creep.
He will be consistent in saying Muslims are inferior.
For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.
And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.
Wow, highlighting the fact they’re a genocidal theocratic ethnostate without highlighting the good things.
Like how they invented tomatoes hummus and fizzy water, or how good they are at exterminating the brutes!
Clearly just an antisemite. There’s no behavior the jewish people could do that would be good enough for you, short of completely stopping the genocide¹, and abandoning their entire 5000 year old culture, which is suspiciously close to lemkin’s original definition of genocide. Stopping the genocide is genocide. You people just cant stop wanting to genocide jews, can you? Antisemites make me sick.
¹which the hamas people are doing to themselves actually. Tge idf has never been outside the city of jerusalem, and actually mostly just makes music videos, check them out on social media!
