UPDATE: The Unbans are showing up on modlog now.:
unban log screenshot
I have traded the month-long ban in the many communities for a 6-day ban in vegan@lemmy.dbzero.com, which is a more reasonable ban. this ban has also been lifted now. I appreciate the cooperation from the mod over this misunderstanding.
So it seems i’ve gotten a month-long ban in… over 30 communities across lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz, lemmy.ca, programming.dev, and several others, for this comment here.
Screen cap of comment for posterity:
It’s directly replying to a comment saying they can’t imagine why anyone thought otherwise about fish feeling pain, which is reasonable. You might notice the quotation marks, because it’s satirizing people’s mental gymnastics about fishes’ pain perception. It was meant in jest, exclusively.
It seems likely that a single mod took this joke wrong and chose to ban me on every community they have control over.
That’s quite extreme. PTB.
I meant to just ban them from the vegan community on db0. I will reverse this.
also not justifiable. your bans are ridiculous
That makes more sense :D I withdraw my PTB for a BPR since it does seem you misunderstood their comment.
much appreciated, that makes more sense.
Sorry about that, I definitely ate the onion in that situation.
Hey, misunderstandings happen. I also jumped the gun a bit by posting in PTB first rather than contacting you directly first.
How does someone accidentally ban people across multiple communities and instances? Is there a ban from everything I moderate button?
Yes
Not everything is done with bad intentions.
why not have another mod double check the ban before it goes through?
There’s 2 ticks on the Tesseract menu when you want to ban an user from interacting with your community without directly looking for their comments and I accidentally hit the bottom option instead of the top one.
Take at that what you will.
I’ll bet that’s handy for taking care of spammers!
Well, since it seems it was done in error, I suppose the issue is at an end. I would have said PTB though.
I will still say that preemptive bans are a valid tool. They have to be applied surgically to prevent problems, but there absolutely are multiple reasons to ban someone from a community they haven’t yet interacted with.
I’m not sure this one meets the standard though. Even if you had made the comment, or a similar one, seriously, I’m not sure I can see how that would make you likely to go trolling on a vegan community.
Shit, I have actively taken the piss out of the asshole segment of the vegan population, and I don’t go to vegan communities and pull that bull. So I can’t see why a single comment would be enough of an indicator of future risk. And that’s when preemptive bans are a valid tool, when someone is saying or doing something that shows they’ll have a high probability of going to a community and cause problems. Not just because they hold a different opinion (no matter how wrong that opinion may or may not be).
Which, despite it being resolved, that is why I would have said PTB to begin with.
However, I’ll also say that Sunshine is really easy to get along with normally. Everyone has bad days and makes bad decisions sometimes, and I think that’s the case here. An otherwise very sweet person fucking up in a way that’s not the norm.
I will still say that preemptive bans are a valid tool.
No, unless you are talking about spam bots etc.
I respect that opinion, but I’ve seen too many cases where communities het as swamped by assholes that had a long standing pattern of being assholes. Not just reddit and lemmy as far as that goes, this stretches back to the nineties on forums and chat rooms.
You can predict future behavior based on past behavior.
Use the Nazi bar example. The bouncer sees this dude walking around the neighborhood with swastikas on, it doesn’t matter if the asshole is wearing a suit and pays the cover charge when he tries to come in, he’s still not going to be a customer you want.
If I go around trolling vegans, and the mod of a vegan sub bans me only from their vegan sub, that’s legit. If I run around throwing slurs, and I get banned from communities for the groups I used slurs towards, fuck me, I deserve the bans. When it comes to bigotry in specific, I’d deserve to be banned everywhere.
But it does need to be surgical, and appropriate to the degree of douchebaggery involved.
As a tool, refusing to let people into a community/forum that will absolutely contribute nothing is a useful tool.
I completely disagree. Next stage from that is a thoughtcrime.
You’re welcome to disagree :)
It isn’t like there’s only one right away that applies everywhere to everyone all the time.
Lemmy does love going after thoughtcrime though
This platform just doesn’t get satire or sarcasm, does it?
Just from personal experience: there seems to be an undercurrent of opinion that sarcasm and irony lead us into narcissistic dystopia fast.
As witnessed by the many ironic Redditches that turned bloody fast: There are just too many Psychopaths willing to take over and use it to lure the apparently plentiful masses of stupid people in (Biden-Bro and The-Donald come to mind).
I know certainly myself have tried to make this place less toxic by beeing less sarcastic. It’s not about getting it and more of a conscious choice for me. As a side effect, I feel less bitter or disconnected from my life, so that is a net win.
Do I miss beeing an ironic, sarcastic ass sometimes? Absolutely. But it is not the good place I want to hang out at.
Lemmy is the most black and white community I’ve encountered. Nuance is completely fucking lost here and god help you if you try to argue against the prevailing wind.
You dropped the /s.
Tap for spoiler
/s
Imma be banned now.
For most part it does, but there are a small number of people who have established their control over a portion of it and like to wield their authority. So basically like reddit, local politics, and pretty much every social situation.
My most upvoted comments includes a lot of sarcasm, satire, and snark.
I’ve seen that said about all online spaces. The reality is that communication is harder than people think. Speakers and writers think their intentions are obviously jovial. Listeners and readers think their intentions were obviously malicious. Tale as old as time.
Seems to be https://sh.itjust.works/u/Sunshine@lemmy.ca that’s trigger happy.
I did see that. She is a pretty active mod it seems.
Well at least you got a great story to tell when people says the /s is unnecessary. :)
After the ‘update’ I’m still confused how that is even worth a 6 day ban from the vegan community.
They also walked that back a bit after.
Right but 6 days for that makes vegans look absolutely nuts.
Inb4 I’m banned for being anti vegan I’m literally 20 years vegan
You have defended tankie vegans before in the past vis-à-vis vegantheoryclub.org
I was genuinely confused what you were talking about and then i remembered this post which you either recalled or went through my comment history.
Either way, i have no idea what you thought your comment would achieve. I have no interest in defending tankies so please don’t pull stuff out of context. I simply disagreed that the entire server was auth. And we can disagree on that, tbh, i have very little interest in debating it because it doesn’t change that:
- im not auth.
- again, i have no interest in defending tankies
I hope this is clear enough for us to be civil together.
How do you know if someone is vegan? They’ll tell you.
Original joke. I mentioned it here because it is relevant. The mod in question power trips and lacks good judgment.
But thanks for that hams
Thanks. I’ll be here all week.
Sunshine is absolutely nuts.
PTB - The humor could use a bit of work, that joke was reeling in so slowly, just flopping around like a…
Yeah, you could argue that the entire thread was a bit fishy.
Don’t respect lemmy mods or their decisions.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/1485815?page=1&actionType=All
IMHO this mod is out of control
Wow, they’re just blatantly banning people who said something they disagree with now.
That is golden 😂
Stay away from the vegan comms until you learn how to engage the topic in good faith
I only engage in good faith.
Lol ok powermod. PTB. Doubly so for banning over a comment on a totally seperate instance & community.
It’s a vegan community. If I see users who are anti-vegan I don’t want them on my community.
Some people go out of their way to antagonize the users on blahaj.zone or !womensStuff@lazysoci.al defending their poor actions saying “Well its on all feed so I can make my unwelcomed comments and don’t you dare force your comm rules on me” without reading your sidebar rules.
Cope, this was a mass ban for a fairly mild joke on a entirely different space and wasnt even touching your vegan community in the slightest.
They very clearly were not on the vegan com at the time of the comment so the example given is a false equivalency.
Petty reddit powermod behaviour.
You’ve only walked this back as well due to the mass backlash stemming from this post.
Lets agree to disagree. Goodbye and have a nice day.
No not really, I’ve seen you pulling shit like this for a while now and the sheer number of popular communities you control is frankly concerning.
This is exactly how we end up with a Lemmy version of awkward the turtle.
I admitted I wrong, I reversed the ban, I explained why it happened. Please stop with the assuming the worst, when I just wanted to have communities where I can post on my liked instances. I dont understand why this fascination of assuming the worst.
Please leave me alone.
I’m not anti-vegan
To me the “joke” wasn’t even that funny, more like middle school snark. The whole thing seems like an extreme overreaction.
In my Lemmy?? No fucking way!
the… scales… of justice are often harsh
But fair when they are gill-ty
Only with de-fin-itive evidence
looks like they’re letting him off the hook tho!
I didn’t know PETA modded communities on Lemmy
PETA would send the fish to a kill shelter
Yikes, a mass ban over multiple communities for that? PTB
Ada used to do this too before people started speaking up
Mods and admins will always find a way to trip over the smallest amount of power.
You have no right to attack Ada for that.
I do, she’s been a bad admin who’s made petty decisions and deserves to be criticized
It is reddit modding behavior. They are censoring people they don’t like
Post: <Something really stark and depressing>
Commentor: <Cavalier snark and callous joke>
Admin: “Wow, this person seems like a piece of shit. Ban”
Banned Commentator: climbs up on cross “I am being persecuted to death.”
<Cavalier snark and callous joke>
if this is all takes to be censored online… we are fucked
Another person bitching about civility on Lemmy, and oh look! It’s a .world user. How shocking.
Yeah, I’m flexitarian, but celebrating or taking lightly the suffering of other beings just isn’t my thing.
The ban across multiple communities is not intentional. I just meant to ban them from !vegan@lemmy.dbzer0.com. I was not used to Tesseract’s ui. But even that was definitely jumping the gun upon rereading the joke.
Why would you ban them from !vegan though, considering the comment was made in another community entirely? Even if we assume the comment was serious, you’re basically saying the rules of the !vegan comm extend across the fediverse.
Because it was meant to be punitive.
Did the punitive action work ?
It made the punisher feel a thing 🤡
Ridiculous more like.
The op’s comment was fine. My thought process was to avoid problematic users from entering a community they’re not ready to respectfully engage with, no one should have to explain themselves to the individuals who are engaging in bad faith. Notice how the bans are temporary.
“I fucked up, but I shouldn’t have to explain myself”
Shameful coward.
Sunshine, this is problematic on so many levels, I’m not even sure where to start :/
Not a fan of preemptive strikes for comments or posts made in different communities…
If the posts in other communities show an intent to cause disruption for a specific topic, they do make sense. As in they take the initiative to cause disruption, posting bacon pics in a vegan or vegetarian community, going into an LGBTQ+ space to spread homophobic or other hateful messaging.
Banning because they made a joke in some other unrelated sub that could just be sarcasm? That is just fishing for users to ban.
If the posts in other communities show an intent to cause disruption for a specific topic, they do make sense.
I’d rather have the ability to flag these potentially disruptive users and have their posts being held up in a moderation queue for those communities.
That way if they behave, they can participate, if not they at least the posts / comments were filtered away and didn’t reach the entire userbase, minimizing harm while giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Credit to you, sister. Coming here, updating your opinion and reporting it, is awesome. We need more mods like that.
This is really hilarious but also thanks for sharing all the instances to steer clear of lol
PTB, if you were banned from vegan Comms I wouldn’t really care, but a joke getting you banned from multiple non related Comms over several instances? Now that is crazy
I thought i had a perm ban from them when i called them hypocrites for not caring for the feelings of vegetables. Saddly it was not
They went too light on you
But i was honestly serious. How can they talk about animals feelings when not even looking at plants feelings. Again im 100 percent serious.
I mean plants do communicate distress, so I can see that. While we haven’t evolved to live solely on sunlight, suffering will happen. That we are aware and only take what’s needed, with respect seems correct.
You don’t even need plants with feelings. Grain fields carry all the field animals like rabbits and rodents. Those animals flee from cleared land into long grass
So as combine harvesters clear the fields the animals are concentrated into smaller and smaller areas
Harvester operators call the last acre ‘the bloody acre’ due to the number of animals cut up by the harvester blades
You can’t eat without animal deaths unless you go to the extreme of just eating fruit you pick yourself
Also the monoculture fields are destroying the land. We need permaculture solutions and there isn’t a way to do that without animals to fertilize the land
And whos to say if that means something less then how we feel. Plants are a living being and should be givin as much or as little respect as anything else.
Rocks and water too, imo. Different discussion, different place. Goodnight everyone.
10/10 ragebait
Nope. No /s or anything.
Some people are gonna give you grief about this, but you raise an interesting point. I was just talking about this the other day with my gf and my son over a vegetarian dinner we were having. There is more and more research about plants be more intelligent (for lack of better word) than we thought before. Still kinda taboo in science circles, but it is being discussed and looking into.
It’s like the crossbans of reddit. As soon as you either comment and get banned from a sub, other subs that don’t like your subs preemptively ban you
PTB, if you were banned from vegan Comms I wouldn’t really care,
I would. He absolutely shouldn’t be banned from vegan community for something he wrote in a different community.
But it isn’t a given. Drowning is supposed to be one of the least painful ways die. Which is taking a animal adapted to breath arit and putting them in water.
Least painful? According to what?
The people who drowned, of course! They look so peaceful.
And when polled, none of them disagreed.
To be fair we did send the interviewers down there too.
Although I don’t believe they disagreed either.
