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At a time of growing concern over the power of the world’s mighty tech companies, one German state is turning its back on US giant Microsoft.

In less than three months’ time, almost no civil servant, police officer or judge in Schleswig-Holstein will be using any of Microsoft’s ubiquitous programs at work.

    • richieadler 🇦🇷@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
      91·
      2 months ago

      It crashes, it loses things, it has a lousy search function, to automate messaging you need to learn one of the arcane and convoluted MS services because they deprecated the much easier webhooks…

      When something fails (and it always does) we just say “Well… it’s Teams”, and that sums it up.

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      Same. I’ve come to terms using it in browser mode on Edge, same for Outlook. The desktop applications are so horrific, I uninstalled both. Half the time they wouldn’t work or force log me out.

      Now I literally have a standalone screen that’s showing nothing but Edge with those two tabs on, and all my productive environment is on a nice large screen where I don’t have to see the crap.

  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
    61·
    3 months ago

    I want to say various cities/regions in Germany make statements like this every few years? And they usually end up rolling back when it becomes clear the cost to retrain both existing staff and new staff isn’t worth it.

    That said: This gets the national security bump so maybe it will stick. Also nobody on the planet likes to use Teams.

  • MuchPineapples@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    2 months ago

    I never understood how a huge government can’t be bothered to host their own nextcloud or whatever for a couple dozen mil per year instead of spending hundreds of millions per year on onedrive and other commercial crap.

    • Akasazh@feddit.nlEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      Governments are usually inhabited by older folks, that aren’t too tech savvy.

    • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
      20·
      2 months ago

      Legal liability for when the service, inevitably, gets breached. If the government hosts it, they’re liable. If the vendor hosts it, the vendor is liable. Simple as money matters.

      • deathbird@mander.xyzEnglish
        11·
        2 months ago

        Spread responsibility thinly across as many organizations and departments within those organizations and across as many legal thresholds as you can to minimize blowback when something inevitably has to be held to account.

      • dubyakay@lemmy.caEnglish
        61·
        2 months ago

        So they could just use a service offered by (checks notes) T-Systems, Siemens, Lufthansa Systems, SAP, TeamViewer AG,… what’s that? In all these years these companies were relying on US service providers as well, instead of innovating? Well that sucks.

  • redlemace@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    2 months ago

    At my work all but me love microsoft. But … They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it’s impossible to avoid.

    • vithigar@lemmy.caEnglish
      81·
      2 months ago

      Literally no one I work with likes Teams but we keep using it because that’s just what we do. Other options basically don’t exist simply by virtue of being either not Microsoft or not overwhelmingly the market leader.

      • fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish
        32·
        2 months ago

        So you’re saying that other options do exist but some companies don’t want to use them because Microsoft is very popular, which is kind of a circular thing, and I understand, but it’s a sign of laziness, not quality.

        • vithigar@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          I’m not sure why you’re taking a oppositional tone. To be clear I’m complaining, not trying to justify it.

  • HeyJoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
    201·
    2 months ago

    I’m definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing… I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.

    • 10001110101@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      2 months ago

      Used Teams for a bit. Seemed fine, just used it like any other IRC clone. Didn’t use it for video. Windows has a lot of annoyances; death by a thousand cuts. The Windows ecosystem also sucks: to the point where graphic card and mouse driver installers try to install spyware.

    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      The worst part for teams is if you do contract work and need to be a part of multiple teams instances… It’s a MASSIVE fucking pain. Microsoft’s login processes are absolute infuriating and even more so if you have to log in to multiple different accounts that all somehow have the same email address but different tenants without letting you know which account version is for which tenant.

      We had to use slack for our internal stuff so we could always be in contact with each other because you could only be signed into one teams instance at a time without jumping through crazy hoops.

      I initially wanted us to move to teams but that hurdle stopped us. I’m kinda glad in hindsight.

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    93·
    2 months ago

    Teams is just an incomprehensible version of Discord. What’s the open source version of that? Matrix?

    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
      142·
      2 months ago

      Incomprehensible? How? It’s got team/channel chats, private chats, and meetings. What makes it stand out is, like everything else MS does, the integration across all their services.

      It definitely needs some improvement, but “incomprehensible” it isn’t.

      • deathbird@mander.xyzEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        I would say “even busier” and “over-integrated” rather than “incomprehensible”.

        Not to start a fight or anything, but it almost reminds me of emacs, because it’s like someone started with an idea for one kind of program, but they just kept adding and adding and adding to it. But emacs at least is free, flexible, long established, free, and quirky.

  • Grizzlyboy@lemmy.zipEnglish
    331·
    2 months ago

    I get it! It’s a fucking terrible program. At the moment I’ve got two instances of it running, one old and one new. Why the fuck? Why doesn’t all the old things transfer to the new one?

    It’s also a joke to maneuver. The different subjects have “hidden” subcategories that aren’t supposed to be hidden but are! So you have two extra clicks to find the folder… it’s a giant fucking joke that a company the size of MS can’t make this tolerable.

    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
      22·
      2 months ago

      Channels get hidden when they’re inactive for a decent amount of time. To see them you just view all the channels in a team. Not really hard. Can also just then tick to always show it. This is a PICNIC situation.

      I’m guessing your 2 instances are the personal one that is included with windows, and then the work one. You can’t have 2 instances of the same one installed.

      • Zenith@lemm.eeEnglish
        43·
        2 months ago

        Do you like work for Microsoft or something, you’re all over this post

        • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
          22·
          2 months ago

          It’s like I opened it and read the comments and replied to the ones that I was thought warranted a response. Crazy I know.

          Is what I said wrong?

  • wingsfortheirsmiles@feddit.ukEnglish
    8·
    3 months ago

    It was barely tolerable, then they gated proper noise cancellation behind some AI privacy destroying BS. Excellent choice, fu Microsoft