Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes…
Fucking amazing.
PNAC gets its way in the end, despite at least 40% of Trump’s rise to political prominence being due to him being one of the few Republicans to criticize… you know, all the pointless meddling and wars in the ME.
… And Trump is almost single handedly responsible for all of this.
He tore up the nuke deal Obama made. He massively mismanaged every element of the Israeli/Palestine situation. Fucking stepson Kushner’s gonna figure it out, don’t worry.
Oh yeah lets piss off everyone and move the embassy to Jerusalem.
Beyond contemptible.
The man is a demon.
Kefka?
Is Trump Kefka, or is that an insult to Kefka?
Fucking childish demon clown that just wants to blow up the whole world so he can feel special.
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I’d rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.
It’s the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.
Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they’d go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab
If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.
But not for ground penetration, no.
A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.
A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.
A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter… so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma… and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.
Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.
The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact… but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.
A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.
And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.
So… the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you’d need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.
And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.
The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and… rough math works out to about… maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?
I guess we’ll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.
Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there
They knew this was happening, we all knew. I hope this is not just a claim. It’s not like you can just take nuclear material home in a jiffy.
There is aerial photo on the AlJazeera website right now from a day or two before the strike with like 8 trucks moving it
*immense relief*
That’s not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won’t be able to cover it up for very long.
There’s different isotopes in the fallout, different radio spectrometry or whatever, but I think they could lie and say that the reason it looks like a conventional nuclear weapon is because Iran was hiding a nuke and they blew it up.
Sure, in fantasyland
What’s so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?
Looks like that didn’t happen here, but I see no reason that it couldn’t.
Because nuclear detonations are very different to conventional ones, and every major power has satellites monitoring for them. They can’t be hidden. Hell, any university or weather service within 3,000 miles would be able to detect it.
Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?
A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn’t just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.
Speaking of saying anything, I’m going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I’m not taking Trump’s fucking tweet for it.
What gives you the idea that Trump gives any fucks about lying?
What gives you the idea that I have any such idea? I find that quite puzzling.
See this is exactly what I am worried about.
The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up… unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle…
GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate… you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
… Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
fucking not good
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like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
That was probably the US’s entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
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EDIT:
Yep 24 to 48 hrs later and…
Apparently around a dozen 30,000 lb, GBU57s were used, there are at least 3 distinct impact sites visible from Sat Imagery…
And oh hey well, a whole bunch of people are now claiming that… did these do damage?
Sure yes.
Did they ‘utterly obliterate’ the entire site?
Not according to Israel, and a good number of others.
So… 1) thank God they did not actually use a tac. nuke.
- Yep, they threw roughly 1/3 of our entire GBU 57 inventory at Fordow alone, and also the bombs were not accurate enough to inflict repeated, concise hits.
you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these
Anything for a Nobel peace prize.
JDAM is supposed to have a circular error probable of 5m and it’s an upgrade kit from 25 years ago. I can definitely believe that a much newer purpose-built weapon can do better than that. The idea of hitting the same spot with multiple bombs might not actually be that unlikely
I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.
Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.
They were not.
Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.
May the US Empire crumble to dust, its only vestiges a dark stain on human existence for future historians to look on with disgust.
I don’t wanna jinx it, but
It would be hilarious if Trump’s, Israel’s and Iran’s actions end up triggering significant climate action out of the sheer cost of continuing to burn oil. The last fuel crisis in the 70s actually caused significant amounts of research into alternatives and some interesting electric vehicles were actually released during that time
Hate to be that guy but -> “Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around. And going by the past absolute fuckery of prediction skills, that means we got at best till 2040… No history or historians, just slow climate death and extinction for all.
Doubt it. Climate change is already happening, but we can mitigate its effects the earlier we tackle it. Plus, no idea who is floating the collapse idea around.
“Total global Civilizational Collapse by 2050” is being tossed around
By whom?
Idiots toss around a lot of stuff.
tHe PeAcE pReSiDeNt
(Rather, the clown president)
Gotta feed $ to Raytheon, Halliburton, Lougheed Martin & the billionaire class.
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LOL impeachable AF but the US 😴😴😴
A peacefull world
Religion isn’t the cause, the mode of production is. Economic factors are far more important when it comes to war, including this one.
Yeah Donald Trump is a devout Christian that must be the problem.
First of all, no. Secondly, no.
Do you know any social advanced, free and human rights respecting Theocracy? The problem with Trump is, apart of the religion, that he is an ignorant and stupid nazi asshole.
The reason I know this is fake is because the book isn’t upside down
If there is no religion people will find something else to fight over.
Maybe, but religion had caused infinite more wars than all other reasons together in the whole history.
No, economic factors matter far more. Religion is often used as an excuse, or plays some role, but the real drive is access to trade or resources or labor in the vast majority of cases.
Yes, and it’s almost entirely due to one religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
In reality nobody is actually fighting for “religion”. They’re actually fighting for nationalism, capitalism, etc.
greed first. its religion AND capital. cherry-picked fairy tales used to oppress and control, making the privileged more powerful and less empathetic, brainwashing the ignorant and leading to so much pointless hate-- religion is a sword and greed is the hand holding it. maybe im wrong but religion wouldnt exist if people didnt want more and more and more. more power, more superiority, more land (bc saying the land is holy and promised to you means its ok to take it by force), even the audacity to believe death isnt the end, they can have more life and shit? you cant own death. mankind evolved with so much creativity and abstract capabilities and this is where we are, dumb as hell.
Gotta erase all those disgusting borders.
Likewise gotta end the most violent and brainwashed religion of them all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Death to America
So, this has gotta make it officially WW3 now ay? like, there absofukinglutely no way Iran takes this on the chin.
Love this part of the timeline yet? Welcome to your 1984
The photo should just be an Israeli flag.
Why would I fight? I’ll just dodge the draft and fasttrack my presidential campaign.
My platform is ABWA: America Becomes West Again. Everyone does horses, cowboy hats, and guns again. You wanna travel further than 3 towns over? Train.
Please also make it wild as well, I really liked west world and that animation where Johnny depp is a chameleon in case you want some examples of what I’d vote for.
All US Marshalls will be androids, so you feel ok shooting them while living as an outlaw.
You will need a Bachelor’s in some liberal arts degree to qualify for the outlaw profession. Outlaws pay taxes only every other year, and are categorized as “self-employed” so you have to track your own taxes.
Remove Trump now!
Where are the 3 US bases in Canada.
I very much challenge that statement.
I don’t think the US owns and operates all these bases. I think many of them are local military bases that the US has stationed troops at.
I agree this seems wrong. Could be referring to the historical bases like Pepperrell, Argentia, Goose Bay etc. but they were closed by the 1960s. NORAD bases do have US personnel on them, so do some Navy bases but by that count it would be far more than 3.
Soldiers attached to units are common practice. Canada does the same with other countries. Some are specific liaison position and others are one time exposure and training jobs. It’s very similar to colleges sending students to other countries for a semester. Both are very different than full blown bases or complete units.
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How many bombs did he drop on Russia? Because he said he would end the war against Ukraine.
The MIC in USA and Russia is making mega bucks regardless.
Israël didn’t order him to do that
The US must be brought to heel.
No new wars Trump strikes again, once again, with war.
Gotta prop up your masters when they tell you to invade.
America. Fucking. Sucks.
I like how he ends his e-mail, treating the public populous as a corporate employee.
