Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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    You people starting to realize that these ‘Democrats’ are just in there for the money like Republicans are, you need to clean the party

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    Democrats are the enemy as well at this point. They are in no way interested in stopping Trump. They are complicit just as Republicans and the media.

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    It was a useless impeachment attempt anyway. If Trump wins the Nobel peace prize for this, how much merit would an impeachment hold regarding said incident?

    Pretty ridiculous. Now you’re just grasping for anything to stick.

    Presidents don’t always need approval for military actions, just ask Obama, Biden, Clinton.

    It’d be a waste of money. 128 Democrats realized that. You just want him impeached because you hate him no matter what he does.

    He can solve world peace and you’d still hate him. Oh wait…

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      He was nominated, not awarded, and that nomination was rescinded in under 24 hours.

      I do agree that this Iran shit isn’t impeachable. Congress gave the president 60 days to take unilateral military action, which is fucking stupid, but stupidity is all that comes out of congress nowadays.

      Donald trump should have been impeached and barred from office during his first term. Every impeachment (but this one) he’s faced was warranted and its a fucking travesty some people put their party over country.

      This impeachment isn’t warranted, and I say this one who believes we need to leave the middle east the fuck alone.

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      Because they’re paid for by the same people/PACS. It’s only the truly democratic ones that actually represent their constituents that make any sense to me. Oh America. I wish I could see a way out of this mess but the “Supreme” Court (C***s?) seem to be untouchable and they’re determined to help your president kill everything your country was built on. What is America without it’s constitution?!

      Good luck! From a very concerned friend in the UK.

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      there are a ratchet.

      one slides smoothly towards fascism, the other one blocks and reform to fix the slide to fascism.

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      Only because we didn’t vote fot them enough! Guys, if we had voted for them they would have fixed all this instead if being like half the problem!

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      Both sides being the Right and Center-Right.

      Of course the Left has no room at the table for any of this.

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      Only because you didn’t vote for them! If you had voted dir them they would have behaved totally differently!!1!

      Unlike all the other times you did vote for themand they did this exact same shit. this one’s different, don’t be such a child. If you don’t fall in line and lick the boot of the liberal co-conspirators, it will be entirely your fault when ice shows up to take you to the camps.

      Edit: also mine because i snitched on you. But that’s actually your fault too; HOA rules say a family living in your attic is not allowed. You need to stop justifying your rule breaking with ‘fighting fascism’.

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      All that does is make a whole new generation of politicians become attached to their privileges.

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        Depend how the retirement goes politician of today have nothing to fear we need the cult of luigi to start the luigining

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        I don’t understand what this comment means. The alternative is to… let them serve until they’re 80-90 years old? We need younger politicians who are personally invested in the future of this country and the planet. And term limits. We need them both.

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          You’re advocating a reset without a change to the underlying system. Expecting a different outcome is insanity.

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            Did I say I didn’t want to change the system? But it’s literally impossible to do if we let these old, entrenched politicians stay in power.

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                Don’t be coy, people are pushing for change and all you have to say in response is that the fundamental systems are still in place.

                No shit, but your revolution won’t come from sitting around and waiting for it to start.

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                  So that was what I’m advocating, sitting around and waiting? I’d have to ask you again to copy/paste that bit…

                  You do realize It’s not binary, right?, It’s not a choice between voting for democrats or sitting around waiting.

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        Yea, an actually democratic system needs to be implemented first! And we would solve that too via that step, very few democrats would survive if an actual choice were to be given to the people!

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    I’m not saying chill out about the attack, I’m saying chill out about the impeachment vote. It was a failure from the start. Democrats aren’t fascist for voting against it. The only real effect of voting against it is that it saved us two months of republican’s soundbites about how “trump derangement syndrome is so bad it’s making them want to take away the ability to defend America” and shit like that.

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    I’m gonna disagree here. The impeachment resolution was a dumb idea, and should not have been introduced. It was never going to be successful. The more impeachment resolutions are introduced and fail, either in the house or Senate, the less likely they are to ever succeed. It looks more like boring partisan messaging, and less like an extraordinary situation. Introducing this resolution makes it less likely that Trump will be removed from office, not more.

    I’m not going to take a position on whether it was a good idea to vote against it, that’s more debatable, but as a message to their fellow Democrats they are right that the resolution was a terrible idea.

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    Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and “wish they would have voted differently”

    Fuck all of them

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    This just shows all of them are complicit. Democrats and republicans, all same shit.

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    Representative Mike Lawler, a New York Republican, wrote on X: “This is absurd on its face. The United States has not declared war since 1942 and has conducted over 125 different military actions since that time, including in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Presidents of both parties have relied on Article II authority, as well as AUMFs [Authorizations for Use of Military Force], to conduct targeted strikes and have not been subject to impeachment. In 2011, Barack Obama conducted an 8 month campaign in Libya to topple Gaddafi.”

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      They always bring up Obama and Libya. Which was a joint NATO led coalition after a UN passed resolution. Not that it helped, but it is not close to Trump’s bombing of Iran. Not even close.

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      We should have never been involved in any of that shit since WW2. 125 bad decisions don’t justify an additional bad decision.

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        I agree on most, however I’d say the Korean War was a net benefit to the US, Korea and the region.

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      TL;DR: We can’t hold them accountable for their crimes, because they might try to hold us accountable for the same crimes.

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      This is actually a good argument, but the problem is that the other side don’t give a dick about rationality, the rule of law or anything that looks like a coherent political opinion. Democrats are still trying to win using rules that were thrown out the window by the GOP in January.

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        Better take: It was wrong when Obama did it, how about we send him to the Hague right after Trump and Biden?

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    Make no mistake. This is a game of politics. Nothing more. They’re not doing anything other than playing a wicked and degenerate game of human chess. They don’t care about anything other than their bottom line. They’re basically saying fuck the American people how can I personally benefit from this!