Democrats are all upset over Mamdani because he’s a Democratic Socialist? Why? I don’t get it. What’s wrong with being a Democratic Socialist. It seems like a good thing to me. I thought Democrats embraced socialism.
He might like do a thing that helps the peasants… Or even hurt the parasite.
Who knows but when you end counter this many enemies on both sides, you know this bro is going the right way. NYC politics is a corruption galore though. He is about to finding out how impotent that can make him. Hope fully he can do something to kick off a wave across US.
People haven’t gained the full class consciousness yet but post covid fuckeninng has shook the normie to the core and they asking questions that make daddy very uncomfortable
For generations, Americans have been raised to believe that socialism and communism are the same thing, and that they’re not only bad policy, but actively un-American and evil.
Nothing.
Democrats, democratic socialism and socialism are all different things. The Democratic party has different objectives from Democratic socialists. Perhaps it would be helpful to label Democrats as the “center moderate” party, democratic socialists as "left and the Republican party as “fascism”.
I guess I’m closer to the left then
1 word: pluralities.
Liberals hate progressive more than they hate the GOP. But this way Democrats keep saying every election is the most important election in our lifetime. They still expect the vote blue no matter who, so Democrats want nothing more than to have the progressive fall in line.
I hate it here. I want off this ride.
Look at the track record of nationalized industries. It’s not good.
Ah yes, the famous failures of… libraries, fire stations, social security, medicare, USPS, and VA hospitals.
I define democratic socialism to be the policies that democratic socialists would put in place that we don’t already have under systems we’re not currently calling democractic socialism.
The Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force. Coast Guard. Police. Highway construction.
Democracy and Capitalism are inextricably linked in American politics. ‘Democratic Capitalism’ is the predominant social and economic culture.
Changing the capitalism part is as revolting as changing the democracy part.
And that’s without trying to disambiguate Social Democracy from Democratic Socialism.
Helping people is woke.
There again. What’s wrong with being woke?
Woke. Look up the definition. It means being aware, awake, tuned in to reality.
That can be unappealing to many people. Mostly ignorant, lazy, arrogant, selfish people who haven’t had the need to consider the existence of well-being of any other person but themselves and MAYBE their direct family in their entire lives.
Hope that clears things up!
Right, but that’s not the general social understanding of what the word means. Trying to save “woke” from the cultural connotations it gained after becoming a word known to the mainstream is a lost cause.
I feel like there are some seriously stupid people here who cannot understand sarcasm.
That’s EXACTLY what the general understanding is. You just need to think about it for a few seconds.
Some people just don’t want to or even have the ability to think and just parrot what their peers say, or they’re just bigoted pieces of shit and this lets them get away with it.
Anyone complaining about “woke” is a bigot. Call them out.
You are misunderstanding me.
Sure, perhaps that is definition used by those who adopt the term.
The problem is that the culture outside this small group has agreed that the term refers to people who are insufferable and holier-than-thou.
I know people who care about these sorts of things. They talk about social inequality. They vote for politicians who want to reform the system. They work in nonprofits to make the world a better place. They attend conferences to learn about the newest discoveries in intersectional studies.
None of them call themselves “woke”, or use the word at all. Why? Well because the word and its cultural associations are cringy. They want to be seen as sensible, reasonable people who have realistic solutions to real problems - using the word “woke” would undermine this goal. It doesn’t matter what the actual, literal definition of the word is - simply using it would undermine their credibility, since it would indicate a lack of social acuity. It’s like someone using the term “retarded” to refer to someone with a developmental disability. Even if they use the word in a completely kind and clinically appropriate way, their general credibility is undermined because polite society has determined that it is an inappropriate word to use.
It’s DEI or something
Helping people who aren’t me is woke.
America is a capitalist nation. The Republicans openly support it. The Democrats less openly support it.
Socialism breaks the mold, it evens the playing field for everyone - people part of the establishment will always oppose it.
America is a capitalist nation. The Republicans
openlyrabidly support it. The Democrats lessopenlyrabidly support it.There’s nothing preventing capitalism from being socialist, except right-wing propaganda.
Capitalism is a (very powerful) financial tool for societies. It can help them prosper or it can be abused and turned to fascism.
The key is to keep the Capitalists out of government to prevent legislative capture by corporations.
Look at the Scandinavian countries to see successful social-democratic countries that have embraced capitalism without frogmarching into fascism like the US. Sure, they’re not without their problems, but I’d rather have their problems.
Democrats aren’t socialist but there are socialists who are democrats. The majority of the party are beholden to big donors just like the Republicans and view anything even remotely socialist as not only a threat to their donors but a threat to their position in the party.
The democrats are melting down over Mamdani because he might cause a wave of socialists primarying them.
They are also melting down because the main attack they used against Mamdani - calling him an antisemite when he’s really just an anti-zionist - had zero affect. This is huge because it’s been a tried and true tactic to use against socialists most famously in the UK against Corbyn.
Yes 🐸
the public is finally evolving past not knowing the difference between anti semitism and anti zionism
Are you joking or seriously asking, I am not joking it is hard to tell genuinely.
Simply put, he’s not on their team and as mayor of New York it’s a good amount of power and if he wins there it’ll encourage more and suddenly they’ll have less chums in positions they like and won’t get what they want done
I’m serious and not very savvy when it comes to politics. I feel like the establishment is out of touch with regular people. I wouldn’t mind if more socialists got elected. I would have voted for Sanders. Also, it’s hard to tell just what the establishment actually wants half the time. I don’t know, it just seems like democrats should support more socialist ideas.
https://www.versobooks.com/products/324-the-abcs-of-socialism?_pos=2&_psq=socialism&_ss=e&_v=1.0 you might want to try this as a gentle introduction to socialism. It’s a big topic, but you can start here and then look for the next book that interests you if you like.
Cool, thanks
The establishment has always, and will always want, to get and keep more money and power. That’s it. When in doubt, no matter what the surface level issues are that they say they “support” (to get people to vote for them), always think back to how this or that tactic will get them more money and power.
Justice Democrats, progressives, Bernie Sanders, AOC, Mamdani are all outliers – the majority of the Democratic party (and especially the DNC) have dedicated their very souls to maintaining the status quo and maintaining their corporate funding – they are the “white moderate” that MLK was warning as being even more dangerous than KKK – we know the Republicans hate us while the Democrats will pat you on the back as they tell you their hands are tied and this isn’t the time and don’t rock the boat and they know what you want better than you do
I thought Democrats embraced socialism.
Democrats, the party and politicians, no. Not even close. As much as Fox News would love you to believe that.
Democrats, the voters, much more so. The majority of people in the US are like you. When presented with actual socialist policies, they’re on board. But most people are also not engaged enough in politics to recognize that the Democratic party doesn’t actually believe in socialist policies, they just vote for “the left”. Or, they do recognize it, but feel that they have no better options.
I mean, if all you do is vote on election day, you don’t have better options.
Swede here, if we compare the two political parties in the US to the Swedish political spectrum, the Republicans would be far to the right of even Sverigedemokraterna, the Democrats would be center-right.
What the US calls the left side of the political compass is nowhere near the actual left on a proper political compass.
The US badly needs a new voting system, the current one promotes stagnation and I can’t see it ever having more than two realistic choices again.
Compared to Germany, the republicans are far right like our AfD… Your ICE is the dream of the AfD.
And the democrats are more “economy-liberal” instead of actually liberal. Also, they contain much of the CDU (conservative) energy, a bit of green party energy and a bit of SPD (social democrats) energy…
I wish we could add a progressive party, labor party, and the like. The two party system is broken.
I totally agree with you. I’d like to add that, as I understand it, Mamdani ended up the democratic candidate because of the voting method (ranked choice).
I think this is precisely why current political interests are so opposed to changing the first-past-the-post method for ranked choice voting. Let alone proportional representation.
It also shows how effective and necessary it is to change the voting system! Imo this is what the ‘no kings’ movement should focus on above all elseYeah FPTP is increadibly harmfull to a democracy, it will effectively remove any small parties over time, it will also promote results manipulation like Jerrymandering.
Get rid of FPTP and smaller parties will pop up like crazy all over the US.
