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      For me the bliss is only when the knowledge is found or the problem is solved, up till then it is a singing ice spike lodged into my brain, so more of a pain avoidance tactic

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    What’s with this new trend to label normal behavior as somehow related to ADHD or autism? Only morons don’t want to know why ffs

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      Peeing is also normal behavior. But it’s not normal if you have to pee every 30 minutes.

      What’s with this new trend of invalidating ADHD and autism symptoms simply because you don’t experience it to a degree that impacts your quality of life?

      ADHD and autism don’t have one specific symptom. It’s a thousand little things that drive you insane from having to conform to neurotypical behavior.

      Let patients share their experiences without normalizing and invalidating their condition.

      It’s always ‘everyone has ADHD these days’ just like how people day 'everyone is LGBTQ these days. It’s never ‘underserved and underdiagnosed ADHD patients are finally getting recognition these days’.

      Boys are 16x more likely to get an ADHD diagnosis than girls. The vast majority of backlash against ADHD patients on social media are against women and PoC who are finally speaking out against the medical neglect. Women traditionally present different symptoms because girls are punished more heavily for exhibiting ADHD behaviors than boys are. Same goes for autism.

      Remember that a lack of diagnosis does not indicate the lack of ADHD and autism. Modern medicine is rife with systemic inequality. Undiagnosed ADHD and autism patients are frequently penalized and not rewarding for concealing their symptoms. The more effort they put into concealing them, the more heavily criticized they are for ‘faking’ it.

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        I see you guys are taking this way too seriously so ok… I’m not invalidating anything, and for that matter I haven’t noticed any such trend in media either. In fact, I would go as far as to say that attributing “normal” behaviors to ADHD and autism is ultimately what invalidates these conditions. My initial comment stemmed from me seeing meme after meme about ADHD and being like, wait I’m like that too, maybe I have it. But then as this trend goes on I observed that most of the people I know also have - to some degree - most symptoms mentioned in said memes. In short I bet if one were to base the description of ADHD on the memes going round, most people could get a positive diagnosis. My personal opinion is that this has to do with societal expectations when it comes to education and employment as they have developed over the last couple of decades. We are slowly recognizing that our capitalist way of life with its pursuit of infinitely increasing productivity is not in line with human nature thus we’re “creating” this condition that somehow everyone is suffering from to attribute feelings of inadequacy.

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          Adhd in particular is a very “everyone can relate, only people with adhd have their lives crippled by it” thing. To some degree this applies to many mental disorders (e.g. everyone has some anxiety).

          The need to know why is clearly not a normal thing or I wouldnt have had the frequent experience of people getting mad at me for demanding the why or, which is still utterly confusing to me, for explaining the why when asking someone to do something.

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            I suppose context is important in the needing to know why. Can you give an example of a time someone got mad?

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              Usually when it’s things that are “socially expected” but don’t make sense to me in that moment. Like being asked to wait with eating food until everyone has some (still don’t really get it, but “it’s a social norm and people will feel bad” is sufficient for adult me since it’s really nbd. As a kid no one even explained that far though, just that it’a a thing you do because you do.).

              In general as an adult its been pretty rare since I’ve learned it’s not worth the effort (and whatever if it makes people happy then cool), and if I really don’t wanna do something I consider pointless (like wearing a suit - which I’d first have to buy - to a wedding in 30° heat as someone who is already very uncomfortable in shorts and t shirt in 22°) people are more likely to respect it because they can’t really force me anymore.

              I do think the more common one (that still happens a bunch) is when providing the why, or more generally when providing extra information. It seems to me people often assume I’m overly criticizing when I do that. Like “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful when <3 sentences of the context in which I think it’s good to have>” tends to get worse reactions than “can you add this thing to the sheet I think it’d be helpful”.

              So same as the food thing, maybe it’s more about wanting far more detailed explanations than about wanting one at all. But to me the less detailed one often doesn’t feel like a real explanation, moreso a justification.

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                The other day we went to the gym with a friend and afterwards he said let’s go eat at the food court. We each got stuff from different restaurants and he got his first, so he went to get a table while I was waiting for my food. As soon as he sat down he started eating so 3 minutes later when I got there he’d finished half his meal. I didn’t appreciate that because the whole point was to have a chill chat whereas now he was done and I felt like I had to rush because I was wasting his time with my tardiness.

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                  Glad I now have friends that are entirely in agreement that waiting is pointless.

                  I would highly disagree it signifying you as anything special, it’s a random ass social norm that serves no real purpose. But yes as I’ve said I’m well aware how it makes some ppl feel so I wait when eating with anyone I don’t know well. And sure it’s not hard now, which is the part where I mentioned this kind of thing mostly happened when I was a kid.

                  Honestly that reaction is just proving my point lol

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              Then they can accept that I won’t do whatever thing they want me to do, because I don’t exist to serve them?

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          I see you guys are taking this way too seriously

          Who the hell are you, the arbiter of what is and isn’t serious?

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            Yes. I am the author of the post and I decide how serious it is. Who the fuck are you, the friend with the cleft asshole?

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              Lol no, you don’t get to decide how other people are allowed to feel about your opinions. Also wtf is a cleft asshole??

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                It’s a reference I didn’t think you’d get but maybe someone else wasting their time reading this whole conversation unfolding under this silly little meme might enjoy.

                To use your logic, you don’t get to decide how I interpret the responses to my comment. So if you don’t like what I said you can give me your little downvote and kindly fuck off unless you have some meaningful retort about my actual opinion on ADHD & autism diagnoses.

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                  To use your logic, you don’t get to decide how I interpret the responses to my comment.

                  That’s correct. So if you felt like others were taking your words too seriously, then say that. Without the reflection at yourself, in the English language you’re telling others how they should be feeling rather than saying how you feel. I hope a grammar misunderstanding is all that really was.

                  And for the record, I do regret coming on so strong. I’ve been stressed today and this is not the first time in the past 24 hours I’ve realized too late that I could have been more diplomatic. So, sorry about that.

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      The more we know about the universe, the better equipped we are to weather its challenges

      My religion also says ignorance is sin but there are also a fucktonne of very content sinners in our ranks, sadly.

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          I used to be norse flavored neopagan, I get you. Can’t do a single rune wheel without someone putting a swastika next to it…

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            Luckily ive hybridized it with my kins folk belief system, synchronizing Odin with ancestor worship, a form of animism, and a semi Christianized version of a Celtic hunting god isn’t too hard. Helps water it down especially since I don’t really focus on any of the war aspects unless I am actively in a meltdown.

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                Eclecticness is honestly pretty standard for folk beliefs especially ones that may have pre Christian roots that have been evolving constantly since, also fun fact my kins weird form of animism also applies to machinery as well. From what I can tell it started with my 3x great grandfather with the term “fae of the engine” in reference to locomotives.

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    As it turns out, inexplicably, this is not a trait that works out well within corporate America… Source: Of course I know him, He’s me.

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    Yes. It’s why I’m in university in middle age, acquiring science degrees. Unfortunately most of what I’ve learned is “we don’t know yet”!

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    Hmmm, I am almost 70. I think I am neurodivergent?

    After all the stuff I have been reading the past couple of years on Reddit and Lemmy I seem to exhibit quit a few of the traits mentioned about being neurodivergent. Starts with me having Aphantasia(no pictures in my brain) and Anendophasia (no inner voice at all) maybe. Not sure. Is it even worth getting a diagnosis at this point in my life?

    Why indeed.

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      You don’t need a diagnosis to know you’re built different, you just need it if you want to get medical care or assistance for it.

      If your experience lines up with others, and you identify with their struggles and interests when other people do not, then to me that’s enough.

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        Yes. All my siblings and parents are dead now. Their kids the usual level of apathy and avarice. So it would definitely only be for my peace of mind knowing.

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      I have multi-sensory aphantasia. No pictures/sounds/tastes/touch/smell. My inner voice is soundless but constant.

      I discovered aphantasia at 40; it is not a lack or detriment merely a difference. I talked with my Mum about it, she is has aphantasia and didn’t realise and she is 66.

      Aphantasia doesn’t hold you back or make life harder; especially since you can go decades without realising that you have it.

      You may have other stuff, ASD or ADHD etc…but aphantaisa isn’t in the same realm.

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        Found out about the aphantasia about 10yrs ago. Found out about the Anendophasia about 5 yrs ago. It’s more the other stuff I do or have done that has me a wondering’.

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    It makes me great at independent learning. It also makes me horrible at following orders. A “do this thing” without a “because” will get done quite differently to what you’d expect, if at all.

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    This is a tough one. I have an autistic child. I love that they’re curious, but sometimes, for all of our safety, I can’t explain why I need them to stop talking about a dangerous subject… for now.

    Great. I love that you’re curious about bombs. We’re in line for security at the airport. I need you to be quiet now.

    ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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      Yes! I have to understand how a process works before I can do it myself.

      To all the people who just “give it a go” without knowing exactly what they’re doing - I cannot comprehend how you do that.